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  1. 22 hours ago, Shinohara said:

     

    I think the biggest misconception that exists within the community is how complaints, votes and number works.

    Everyone opinion matter and is important, no one excluded, as long as it's forwarded with respect.

     

    However,  there are few things to mentions:

    • Accepting, respecting and valuing a lot an opinion doesn't mean that you have to agree with it. 
    • Numbers of how many suggest or vote for something doesn't matter. What matter is the content of the suggestion/complaint and the arguments provided.
    • What direction the DEVs want the game to take is really important.

     

    Number of opinions and value of them

    Regarding the number, it's easy to make an example about it. if 300 people says "Ban Charizard." and then one person comes out will say "I think Charizard should be banned due to X reason, Z reason, Y reason and here below you can find all the data I have collected to support my argument." (I think Jorogumo does it greatly tbh) we will value that single person feedback in a higher and better way than the others.

    And let me clarify that English is not the reason of why 98% of people actually is unable to give a productive and constructive argument/feedback/opinion.

     

    Why? Is that person special?

    Absolutely no, simply that person is providing a constructive and productive argument supported by data, meanwhile the other 300 people saying "Ban Charizard." are providing pretty much nothing and are unable to even properly give a constructive and productive argument.

     

     

    Accepting&Respecting an opinion doesn't mean agreeing with it

    Exactly what title say. This is not understood by many people and sometimes they (not everyone obviously but a portion of them) try to force their vision within the game and try to force us to do what they want.

    This is wrong, and should not happen in any way. Being annoyed by an update is perfectly fine, however in not a single game I played the community can force the staff to do what they want.

    At most, if the community see that the direction the game is taking (decided by DEVs, considering as well community feedback of course) is not the one they like and that it won't change for now, then they are able to leave the game or take a break to see how the new update will turn out to be(all of us played a game and then left it later).

    I think you got my post misconstrued, I could give a rats-[butt] about any bans. That post was literally meant to troll the community who were complaining about Staff or using the post for just open ban appeals. Literally made it for pure satire ._.  lol.  I was ok with the gren ban lol. I just did that out of pure satire of the situation of everyone complaining. Sorry for wasting your time with a response my dude.

  2. 10 minutes ago, makeitwitchu said:

    I think you misread my post and got hung up on the "Trump" bit. I'll elaborate: the Trump reference was made in reference to what I consider the problematic attitude of "if someone acts like an [inappropriate term], they are just being honest," a common defence used by Trump voters during his campaign. Unlike other politicians, who spoke politely and did not make offensive remarks, Trump's voters argued he was different because he spoke his mind. Again, acting like an [inappropriate term] was confused with sincerity. In saying "Trump anyone?" I did not say qeight = Trump, that would be reductive and stupid, I was just trying to draw a real world analogy between the defence of qeight's dismissive comments as "just being honest" and the defence of Trump's rhetoric because hey it's nice to draw real world analogies sometimes. I apologise if that was not clear. 

    This might come as a surprise to you, but I'm also far from mad nor is this personal. I really do not have any beef with qeight, I didn't even know of his existence until very recently as I am not incredibly involved with PRO's inner workings nor do I care to be. For all I knew, Prehax was just a funny npc in a Munchlax costume. 

    Either way, you seem very set in your ways so I will stop trying to reason with you. I am just asking you try to think outside of the literal print for a change. Just because someone says something is one thing, does not mean that it matches reality. Yes, you are right, it does state they are hobbyists. So what? Everything else about the game, from the way the staff is run to the announcements they make is modelled after a game company, so why shouldn't their interactions with their playerbase not be either?

    I hope this clears some things up for you. I'm not "bashing" anyone, if anything, you are the one getting unnecessarily aggressive and personal. 

    If my last reply didn't get to you, I also said, Have a great one, btw I'm not staff I just see inconsiderate comparisons being made which shouldn't. Which means I probably took it the wrong way, also yes we can agree to disagree and come to a common ground. I don't hate nor hold an opinion against you or another person. Just all the nonsensical bashing is getting old in the thread. And i too can come off like a jack [butt]. 

     

    And all I was trying to get across is, everyone is human. They made this game out of their love for the game. Somethings can get misconstrued. They aren't a game company. So focusing on those subjects is wrong and I do agree that "respect is a 2 way street." And I can come to a conclusion within a civil manor

  3. 6 minutes ago, 666G0D999 said:

    I never said you are staff, but you are acting like they are angels and anything they say and do should be accepted, because this is a free game.

     

    You tell me to go somewhere else. lol Ironic how you aren't staff, but still acting high and mighty. Of course you couldn't care less if this game died, because you never really cared. People like you are totally useless to the community.

    You can say what you want, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one but you don't need to show it around 24/7 and looking at this, just makes me think your opinion as I said doesn't matter to me. As I said I could care less for it didn't reply or ask for it. Me and the other person can agree to disagree stop tagging me have a great one.

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  4. 1 minute ago, makeitwitchu said:

    Oh no, I fully agree with you when it comes to the two-way street thing. Respect needs to be earned by both parties and that is sadly not always the case for both sides. The downside of being staff is that your actions are highly public and, generally, held to a certain standard, whether that is correct or not is not for me to decide. I am not saying "the man" exists here, but I do think for any of this dialogue to be productive the fact that there is a power imbalance between both parties needs to be acknowledged and as with all power this comes with responsibility. In these scenarios, I'd argue it is the responsibility to be the bigger person or to lead by example. 

    I think the post Keita made above contextualising is a great start and highlights how some of the comments made were a lapse of judgement, which is completely understandable. I don't expect a staff member to be the perfect human, to never get frustrated or be emotional. It happens. It should not be normalised, however. In my opinion at least. 

    See I guess we can agree on some things but, we can disagree on others. These are not paid professionals they run a server for fun and to pay for server costs that's what donations are for. To compare others like that is also wrong. Have a great one, btw I'm not staff I just see inconsiderate comparisons being made which shouldn't 

  5. 8 minutes ago, 666G0D999 said:

    The only one acting high mighty is you. This moronic excuse of the game is free, doesn't mean you can treat people like crap. I'm not even made about that, but acting like your crap doesn't stink, while banning others for acting the same is just contra-productive.

    Nobody is being harassed. lmao People ask for justice. Sure, the staff can say f off, but that will only lead to the game dying. Is that really what you want? People like you make me sick to my stomach.

    You're literally commenting to me when I'm not even staff, I'm acting this way because you retards are acting entitled to a 3rd party private server. Developed by hobists Go ask for justice to someone else. You dont like my opinion go ask someone else who cares. I'm surprised they even tried to make a thread to appeal to you people. Also I could care less if the server died. I don't play that much anymore anyways its called I have a life and go out side.

     

    Ans yes he did slander and say negative stuff about staff if you actually read the full comment I replied too. He compared them to Trump which I stated in my 2nd comment back to him as being just as bad.

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  6. 11 minutes ago, makeitwitchu said:

    That is such a flawed way of thinking though. For one, what is claimed and what is conveyed is not always the same. The rhetoric, the structure, the donation system is all set up to mimic a game company, you can't just ignore that because of one line of text. Being self-proclaimed hobbyist should not excuse you from being held accountable. If you want to submissively bow your head and not try to enact positive change, that is fine, but do not attack those who do because of your own unwillingness to think critically. 

    You're literally comparing them to Trump and that alone is slander enough. You claim them to be a game company which they literally announced their not. YES THEY HAVE A DONATION SYS. You know who else does? Every Garry's Mod server every 3rd party fan made server for every game. It's not to mock a game company standard. It's to help support and pay for a server. Do you know the costs to host a server? Or to host a private server with an 1800 player cap. You literally start with comparing them to Trump because you're mad someone typed negatively to you on the internet. Guess what if wally or who ever decided to pull the plug on the server it's gone. That's how it works there is nothing you can do about it because Nintendo owns the pokemon Ip not wally not you not q8. They are hosting a 3rd party server for our enjoyment so they can code and have fun with their hobby. Now pipe down and shut up,

     

    Fall in line bow down? No not at all this is supposed to be a discussion on player staff relations. I'm sticking up a bit because all it's been is bashing them with insults for almost no reason. It started because the spawn change. And derailed into a new thread like this after the constant spam and harassment in multiple guild discords of propaganda and hate threads. 

  7. 9 minutes ago, makeitwitchu said:

    I really despise this rhetoric of "assholes are just honest people" (Trump anyone?), it confuses arrogance with sincerity. If you are going to establish a hierarchical relationship between players and staff, if you are going to operate on secrecy and a rigid structure of roles, if you are, in short, going to act like a professional game dev team, diplomatic language is not a courtesy, but a basic sign of respect to your playerbase. It should be expected of staff to respond to whatever question or suggestion, no matter how stupid it may be, in a polite manner. This is the case in any profession. Refusing to do so is not some sign of "extreme honesty," it is lazy and causes a rift that can be easily avoided. I am not saying staff need to do players' bidding or oblige every request, that would be stupid. Hell, even a suggestion can be utterly useless if it clashes with the design philosophy of the game. Fine. But you have to understand that the people you talk to are the same people that have invested a lot of time in playing and caring about your game and they deserve, if nothing else, not to be dismissed rudely. Perhaps PRO needs to recruit a PR member to smooth these things out moving forward, I am not sure, but I always felt the communication side of things was off and this could have been easily prevented by communicating the right things at the right time. 


    Nevertheless, as you mentioned in your other post, I agree that this thread is being derailed. It shouldn't be a witch hunt. The dismissiveness of Qeight's language is a symptom of a wider problem in player - staff relationships i.e. the fact that he is not good at "putting on a fake smile and lying to your face that he'll think about it" is not the main issue, the main issue is that pretending they'll think about a suggestion seems to be the norm as opposed to actually thinking about it. 

     

    That's where you're wrong though, Pro Staff and developers literally say in their rules and front page *This is a game developed out of our hobbies and love for pokemon a fan made game* none of them are professional developers or a game company this is a 3rd party pokemon game ran by hobbists that the community doesn't realize. There is no fuckkng democracy here its rather get over it and leave or stfu. I'm tired of people acting high and mighty when it's literally on their front page. If you support them through donations cool but none of them claimed to be professional game developers or not. 

     

    Don't compare them to Trump, they literally made the game out of enjoyment of the game. Not to be harassed by people like you.

     

    And I say this with respect to the pro staff. 

  8. Event form: Hula Victini (Summer)

    Time investment:  like 40 minutes

    Possibly interest to join staff either as Pixel Artist or Coin Shop icon creator: No

    Graphic (Hula Victini (Summer)

     

    Event form: Christmas

    Time investment: 2 hours

    Possibly interest to join staff either as Pixel Artist or Coin Shop icon creator: No

    Graphic (Ornament Staryu, Christmas tree Topper Starmie)

     

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  9. 3 hours ago, Iampvp said:

    ofc im not a fool to do solaceon for whatever time limit u said and moreover im using only what i have i catch those legends but if they are not good i better make team without them and if u want nice legends why not just win summer tournament or ladder tournament are they made for just a showcase? whats their use if u get legendaries as easy as possible?? still its a -1 from my side 

    I personally don't think you understand how economy works, The current system hurts the economy. You're giving money from one player to another for an item to delete said item. The money never leaves the economy building inflation (prime example someone hitting 1b poke dollars last year or multiple people over 100-200m). The current system for rerolls is terrible for the economy, if you look how the item is traded and used it should have never been a tradeable item it should have been put on an npc to delete money from the game at a set regulated price by the GM. (There are no current good money sink's in pro.) (saying good legendary's = economy is also falsified by it doesn't delete money from the game.) 

     

    The problem now is its too far late for that type of system, because peoples incentive to pvp is pvp coins for rr to sell same with pve. looking at current statistics lets say after all legendary's are added *59* in total not counting ultra beasts which puts the number at 70, lets say the current price of rerolls are 750k each current price that's 52.5m in poke dollars to roll them once. Not counting trying to get the viable 10-15 or counting the uber tier banned mons, at 10-50m+ depending on your luck with the right Nature/Hidden power. This is not counting if its a new player coming into the game. The current sys for legendary's are bad as well but that's another thread, because pro is not new player friendly at all with its current systems.

     

    Saying don't use legendary's in pvp is also another problem I'm bringing up with your post, playing with out legendary's in pokemon pvp is actually not only crutching your self but playing at the highest level gl. Also Saying just choose it from ladder tour, you're not aloud to choose legendries there is a list of mons you choose from and if someone requests a certain mon it that mon cant be chosen for over a month after. The only tourney you can choose a legendary is summer tour (BTW NEVER GOT RAN LAST YEAR) even on the selected dates KEKW. 

     

    This thread is a +1 from me as someone who has purchased CC's and traded them for rerolls seeing the current statistics and actual numbers for the chances, even reading Evilprotag's post on it being like a predatory gacha system. The current system is terrible for not only inflation but the economy.

     

     

     

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  10. UNROLL THE TADPOLE OSFrog UNCLOG THE FROG OSFrog UNLOAD THE TOAD OSFrog UNINHIBIT THE RIBBIT OSFrog UNSTICK THE LICK OSFrog UNIMPRISON THE AMPHIBIAN OSFrog UNMUTE THE NEWT OSFrog UNBENCH THE KENCH OSFrog PERMIT THE KERMIT OSFrog DEFOG THE POLLIWOG OSFrog   "-1 tho"

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  11. 7 hours ago, TheGodfather said:

    You all are just lazy.

    1 hour ago, FreddyFTW said:

    I disagree, I started playing again after 3 years and in about 3 months I managed to get both mega stones (which did not exist 4 years ago) ... so the players who have not underestimated the excavations and have dedicated time are no more dumbs than you who wake up and today you want a nice comfortable quest

    The fact that you both result in just insulting is wrong, no other mega stone is locked behind a time gate like this. Also most pvper's wont go out of the way to spend 1k+ points for 2 mega stones that are for UU/RU mons. The fact that certain battle items like "mental herbs" an item that is used to dodge taunts ect, the only spot in the game to get them are exca points. Which are essential to running teams like Trick room instead, lets buy the stone and waste a month of time to get them which essentially is a 1month break for people who play Trick room. To get a mega that under performs.

     

    This is a suggestion thread giving not only criticism but a way to actually design the quest not just bash them. Or lets use the fact that you need it for Vitamins (Prime example PPUPS) LITERALLY essential for pvp or Berries (damage reduction berries Shuca ect) , or tms / hms. Lets use other megas for an example. Bennette a mon that's unusable because its signature move doesn't work correctly has a proper quest. Giving proper criticism to game devs and coders is proper for development for a game. Not everyone has time to put 100% into the game or finds excavations fun they have been a complaint by a lot of people for a while not just me or people in this thread. I'm not insulting anyone I'm giving criticism and suggesting another way to do it. 1000 is too much for mons that see less than 1% of gameplay they might actually see use if it was changed.

     

    Not only that they are disabled right now which makes it impossible for people to get.

  12. Like, Can we please get a new location for those stones like even a side quest with brock for the Steelix quest? Like them being locked behind excavations is bad their UU stones, time gated behind a long time gate. 

    Here's some questions to ask, When was the last time you've seen either of them in pvp? or used in general because of their location? Like you have to choose behind pvp items / Vitamins and other good consumables or choose their stone 99.9% of the players are choosing pvp items / Consumables because their stones just aren't worth the prices. Can we get them changed to like a proper quest like all the other mega's please. 1000pts isn't worth the cost. 

    The current location of theses stones just seems like lazy design by the cs who put it into the game. 

     

    Ps, Literally the mega Steelix quest writes its self, Start of the quest talk to brock in pewter, Help brock find out whats wrong with the colony of onix, realize the crystal onix went missing, help brock and his family beat team rocket to save the crystal Onix brock awards the Steelix stone after you beat the rocket leader. 

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  13. 7 minutes ago, CosaNostra said:

    Normally, yes. Malltesers started at 12:23, so it should end at 12:23. You had to win this auction for 3m6. Magicspellx bid at 12:25, it's too late. I have already lost an auction recently because of faults of seller. One more time, seller doing mess, and everybody are punished or impacted...

    it actually should have ended at 12:20 it was started in another thread, on silvers forums as well. Because the auctioneer made the forum post on both servers. So either way it should have been sold for 3.6m

    https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/160356-jolly-metagross-31spd/ 

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  14. Hey since we can see the pokeballs that the mons are caught in now, thrown and in battle. Is there anyway we can get vendors for the different types of pokeballs, so we can mess around with them like cosmetics or even have an option to pay an npc to switch the ball the mon is in to another one that we own?? 

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