HiddenPower base power testing. Always 60? No it not.

[Padawan96]

Just for reference, this are the websites tools and calcs done for this case:

https://www.psypokes.com/dex/hp.php

https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/

 

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[Padawan96]

If you can prove it being otherwise, please do so whenever you can.

[Shewas18]

Bump :Light:

[Kaminokage]

Hello guys, i saw this topic and i want to bring you some answers.

I don't have high lv pokemon with Hidden Power, so i did my calculation with low lv pokemon, so my calculation can not be accurate.

 

I take this Medicham to do my test :

 

His IVs are : ATK 06 - DEF 09 - SPD 17 - SPATK 04 - SPDEF 03 - HP 17

So his Hidden Power is : Grass 51.

And my objective is to determine if the power of HP is 60 or not. With this IVs, the power should be 51 if the game is coded like G5 or less.

 

To do it, i fight my second account and hits some Tauros :

 

To calculate the HP lost, we use this expression :

It comes from Pokepedia in French. But i think PRO uses the same calculation for HP lost.

 

So, i have :

- HP Lost : i have it in my test.

- Niv : lv of my pkm, so 37.

- Att : SPATK of my pkm, so 45.

- Def : SPDEF of Tauros, so in my test their are different but i know them.

 

I need :

- Pui : Power of Hidden Power, i am looking for it.

- CM : depends on STAB, weakness of target, critical hits, ability, items, weather, and a random number between 0,85 and 1.

My Medicham is Psychic/Fighting, his HP is Grass, so STAB is 1 and weakness of target is 1. I don't take this critical hits in my test. Medicham's ability don't influence the HP lost. No items, no weather. The only issue is : the random number between 0,85 and 1.

So my CM is a random number between 0,85 and 1.

 

Time for maths :

PV perdus = [2+((Niv*0,4+2)*Att*Pui)/(Def*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+((Lv*0,4+2)*SPATK*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+((37*0,4+2)*45*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)]*CM

HP Lost/CM = 2+(756*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)

(HP Lost/CM)-2 = (756*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)

(SPDEF*50)*((HP Lost/CM)-2) = (756*Pui)

Pui = [(SPDEF*50)*((HP Lost/CM)-2)]/756

 

 

I will start with my first Tauros with 43 SPDEF:

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(43*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(2150)]*CM

 

If i take 60 Pui :

- If CM = 0,85, then HP Lost = [2+(756*60)/(2150)]*0,85 = 19,63

- If CM = 1, then HP Lost = [2+(756*60)/(2150)]*1 = 23,09

 

If i take 51 Pui :

- If CM = 0,85, then HP Lost = [2+(756*51)/(2150)]*0,85 = 16,94

- If CM = 1, then HP Lost = [2+(756*51)/(2150)]*1 = 19,93

 

We see that for Tauros SPDEF 43, he takes between 16 and 19 dammages, so it looks like Pui = 51. But we should continue with others to confirm.

 

 

Tauros with 44 SPDEF:

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(44*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(2200)]*CM

 

If i take 60 Pui :

- If CM = 0,85, then HP Lost = [2+(756*60)/(2200)]*0,85 = 19,22

- If CM = 1, then HP Lost = [2+(756*60)/(2200)]*1 = 22,61

 

If i take 51 Pui :

- If CM = 0,85, then HP Lost = [2+(756*51)/(2200)]*0,85 = 16,59

- If CM = 1, then HP Lost = [2+(756*51)/(2200)]*1 = 19,52

 

We see that for Tauros SPDEF 44, he takes between 17 and 19 dammages, so it looks like Pui = 51. But we should continue with others to confirm.

 

 

Tauros with 48 SPDEF:

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(SPDEF*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(48*50)]*CM

HP Lost = [2+(756*Pui)/(2400)]*CM

 

If i take 60 Pui :

- If CM = 0,85, then HP Lost = [2+(756*60)/(2400)]*0,85 = 17,76

- If CM = 1, then HP Lost = [2+(756*60)/(2400)]*1 = 20,9

 

If i take 51 Pui :

- If CM = 0,85, then HP Lost = [2+(756*51)/(2400)]*0,85 = 15,35

- If CM = 1, then HP Lost = [2+(756*51)/(2400)]*1 = 18,06

 

We see that for Tauros SPDEF 48, he takes between 15 and 17 dammages, so it looks like Pui = 51.

 

 

In final, Hidden Power is not 60 in power. But it looks like HP uses the old calculation to determinate dammages. To be sure it is the old calculation and not a nerf of Hidden Power, we should take a lot of data.

[Kaminokage]

I wanted to be sure, so i asked a friend to pass me his Magnezone to test :

This Magnezone is HP Fire 68.

 

I make him fight some pokemon, and with the expression of HP Lost : Pui = [sPDEF*50*((HP Lost/CM)-2)]/[(Lv*0,4+2)*SPATK]

I find this :

 

And if i use my old data on Medicham to do the same i find this:

 

As we can see, my Magnezone Hidden Power at 68 have an average power of 49,29 ; what happens to the 19 power ? My Medicham Hidden Power have an average power of 49,12 ; so it's close to the 51 power he should have.

Why it's 49,29 and 49,12 in average ? It's because when HP Lost are calculate, the HP are truncate, so i "lose a part of data" in real tests. In fact, the average is more around 50 than 49.

 

In conclusion, Hidden Power has not a power of 60 it should be, but it's not between 30 and 70 like the others generations. So, Hidden Power has been nerf to 50 base power.

[Thanhmoz]

h.p is not base power not based on iv and its dirrectly said 60 damage, anymore idea?

if any more idea, here the link for u :) google havent make u to paid to use :)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hidden_Power_(move)

[Chameleon]

347104 h.p is not base power not based on iv and its dirrectly said 60 damage, anymore idea?

if any more idea, here the link for u :) google havent make u to paid to use :)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hidden_Power_(move)

You should've tried to understand the post before suggesting him to use Google in a sarcastic manner (which seems to have backfired on you). He's saying "if the base power was 60bp, that Magnezone should've OHKOed the Scizor". But in the video, it doesn't. Get it now?

[Thanhmoz]

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347104 h.p is not base power not based on iv and its dirrectly said 60 damage, anymore idea?

if any more idea, here the link for u :) google havent make u to paid to use :)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hidden_Power_(move)

You should've tried to understand the post before suggesting him to use Google in a sarcastic manner (which seems to have backfired on you). He's saying "if the base power was 60bp, that Magnezone should've OHKOed the Scizor". But in the video, it doesn't. Get it now?

ok my bad for dont read it all well, base power was 60 when im tested on 15th november or december if i dont remembered wrong and since my friend magne base by iv was 48 damage and my scizor spdef hp just 2x but the magne can still 1hko scizor so the base power was right at the 60 when im testing

[Kaminokage]

Can you be more specific on your test?

Because my conclusion after tests is : the base power is 50 fixe.

[Shewas18]

Tbh , It's not because you are looking at the opposite way ,faking you not seeing it yet when there are solid proof doesn't means the problem is nonexistant .

 

That appart a CC relaying the problem to the"higher floor" would be a starting point to give us a bit of hope (Yet we all know if this thread h"v been ignored for so long ,it's not going to change anytimes soon, and we clearly understood that fact ) ,i mean by that at least someone related to the staff answering the thread , the problem might been already reported, but we got no intel at all , w'r just leaved in the dark .

 

If volontary ignoring that issue , is a way of telling us making HP's dommage right is an hard task , well i'v never touched coding stuff , and this isn't my job aswell , and i got no clue how an ahrd task it can be , but being honest with us admiting you being aware of it , plus/or telling us it being low in the priority list when you got a sparce time to spare , would be much more appreciated than being totally ignored , aka it's called communicating . (The lack of communication killed a ton of online game , pro's one was so-so for a longtime , even tho recently it's starting to change , but you got enough selfawarness to know that w/o me saying it)

 

PS: I know im straigthforward trought all my speech , and im aware of it,resulting to most of the staff or pridy guy hating me ig, but hypocrisy is probably the thing i hate the most and by far , well , being honest isn't a given thing to everyone .