Komata

Weavile selled. Pls close.

Protean greninja still available?

Sorry for the Tag @Qeight but... Any notice or update or something that you can tell us about this?

1'5m clefable

I suposse this is an opinion, but honestly, I don't think in the other game it failed. They ban the correct pokemons, just because you haven't the Keys Pokemons in the game. It is exactly what we need. In addition, This is a really good opportunity to really improve the game. And, yes I'm ok with your opinion about players who wants only the power. We really needs a good method to determinate wich players are prepared to work in the Council.

Staff have enough tools to determinate if someone leaks information, or try take advantage about his position. The simple threat to get a permaban is enough to handle this. "Actually I don't see any reason why, just to bring up some pokes that OP?" 1. I don't go to say how good or bad are the arguments who the actual Staff gives in the thread about ban Manaphy. Just check it and judge for yourself. 2. This is not about some OP Pokemons, this is about the entire metagame. Some strategies, some pokemons who, basically with the actual available moves and pokemons that we have, are too strong to handle them. Centralizing the game between those Pokemons. (How many rain teams or how many conkeldurrs you see in your games). 3. "never give a handgun to a monkey" NEVER, That's why we are brainstorming about how select the correct members. Anyways, I preffer do not consider no one as a monkey.

Really good point, of course Staff can determinate if some player are just acting for his own benefit. And it should be punishable.

If someone acts in his own benefit, he will be removed from council, the rest of the council players should know who is acting fairly and who no. Also the Staff. If we will think than everyone is corrupt then we cant improve as a community. I like your "Veto" Idea but it should only be applicable when someone try to take advantage from his position or something like that. or giving a really huge reasons. Totally agree.

First of all, thanks to all Staff members to give us the opportunity. Lets start with the questions: 1. How are council members picked? This is one of the difficult ones, Basically you cant use the ladder as a reference. You need People with a really good knowledge about POKEMON. Honestly, I think the best way is create an open recluitment, like an interview with questions about the way they would work in a council. After that, a workshop where Staff who will participate in the council can supervise how the players work. (Like a workshop). How long they can stay on the council? Indefinately. (you can be kicked for inactivity or toxicity). (as not all the people knows talk with other in a team way). The Council should look for the game and only for the game. What are the requieriments? Not specified. You cant take in mind the ladder, as several people just copy and copy what other uses. You need to found a way to evaluate people according with their knowledge. Should they be able to participate in ranked PvP while being on the council? Of course, otherwise you can't talk about the metagame. How would the split between Silver and Gold members look like? I think this doesnt matter, the metagame is the same. And I'm sure that We have pretty capable people in both servers. 2. How are suspect tests decided? Basically when a new pokemon will be released and when a pokemon is much used than others. For example conkeldurr wirh the 30% is debatable. Or Manaphy when he appears on the game, or Shaymin. How does the council decide what Pokemon to sent into a suspect testing phase? As I said previously. Basically any Pokemon who Centralize the metagame, as OLD OLD Talonflame, Ghotiele or Blaziken. How would a suspect test look like (a special suspect ladder is out of question)? It will be a debate between the Council members where the council discuss about the data that we have. Damages, Counters, Answers, Moves, Etc. (For example how many answers have Manaphy? Have any swich in? Are they on the meta? Or ar the only answer for him a specific answer? (I mean a poke wich only utility is stop 1 pokemon and is useless vs the rest of the metagame, for example Cofragigus, wich means that you can stop conkeldur but then you are playing 5 vs 6 if the enemy is not running Conkeldurr). Also, when you ban a Pokemon for any tier (In this case, the only 1 tier we have), the pokemon will be banned from PvP meanwhile the Council takes his final decision. (You can see how the metagame evolve when you retire one pokemon, and maybe you can found a new broken one, or just a better metagame where more pokemon are usable and there are no one with No-Coounters. Who gets to vote after the suspect test is over? Here we have 2 Options: or lets Council vote and decide what ban or not. Or make a Poll with some previous requisites, for example, as Pro do time ago, You need at least 100 points in ranked to vote and only 1 vote per player. But if honest, I preffer that the council decide and limitate the community to talk about who pokemon their think that deserve a Ban. then council can study each case and decide. (For example, community talk about unban Dugtrio as now we have team preview) then, the council study Dugtrio, how it will affect the metagame, counters, playstyles, etc.) 3. What would council members need from staff in particular to make it successful? We will need a platform where talk with Staff (The staff who will participate in the council or the staff who will give support to the council). Staff can provide the stadistic (Most used Pokemons for exaple, Maybe staff can share when a Pokemon will be implemented, in a short term, to allow the council to start working with the new Pokemon). (Work with the new Pokemon is not play with him or something like that, just study and talk about how this pokemon will affect the metagame). For example, How Zapdos will affect the metagame? How much influence does staff have over the council? Staff members can read and participate in the debate. (Of course in a Team way, as every player who participe in the council is equal than others). When can staffs interfere in the decision making process? Staff can participate and share their points, but the final decision (Poll) what the council takes is definitive. (For example, we have a council with 5 silver players, 5 gold players and 5 staff members, if "Ban Manaphy" gets mayority then manaphy will be banned). (Of course the metagame changes all the time, with every single change the game do, so if for example, Staff decide to open Legendaries Dogs (Catch the 3) or maybe the staff makes a really good spawn for snivy, then we can re-open a case, in this case, Manaphy. Other example is Dugtrio, as Staff add Team Preview you can predict Dugtrio same as Magnezone (Of course they have differences). As the team preview change the way how people play, then council can re-open this Case. First of all, Thanks you if you read the entire post. Sorry for my English, i tryed to write as better as I could. I hope this Idea will be discuss in a good way. If you have any question about my system or want to add something please, let me know. Best Regards, Yakuzah / Komata

Exactly, i was just giving some examples about How centralized is the metagame and how broken are these mons in the actual metagame. Im just annoyed with the reasons.

I assume this is a final decision. With all my respects, and not trying to create a drama or something like that but, we really, really needs a Council for PvP. Things like this are not too much serious. I can understand some of the points, for example "Pvp rework is coming, so we should wait". Ok. But, "If you ban a metagame other will be stronger"? Ban a metagame is not the point here, we are talking about manaphy, you basically have not access, at least in an easy way to his 2 biggest counters, a decent serperior (Too hard to get a good one, even if you invest hard time farming) and raikou (obvious reasons). Without these 2 mons, you basically needs run Ferrothorn + any pokemon faster then manaphy (Usually weak ones: Heliolisk, jolteon, weavile are some examples). This is the main reason why Conkeldurr have a 30% in our metagame. And this makes that you need teambuild with a Conkeldurr counter. So basically, in every single team, you need run Ferrothorn + (Probably Tankchomp) + a pokemon faster than manaphy. To have a chance vs rain teams. I hope, at least you give the community the chance to create a council. Or at least, work with some REALLY experimented players to discuss this things. Thanks for your time, and sorry if I sound like I'm trying to fight or create conflicts. Is not my intention.