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    Rose's Epic Pokemon Rental Shop

    in Service Shops - Gold

    Posted · Edited by Intoccabil3

    Rented 5 fire pokémons to deal with the fire sage in the legendary birds quest. XanthinaRose was incredibly nice to me, gave me some tips and even came to Shamouti to deliver a shadow tag pokémon since I had forgot to bring one. 10/10 super kind and helpful!

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    PRO's PvP inconsistencies in regards to move/ability combinations

    in PvP

    Posted · Edited by Intoccabil3

    I was clear from the start, "combination" has nothing to do with banning Arena Trap or anything

    Yeah you’re right, I am sorry. Nevertheless people clearly misinterpreted the post after reading only the two options in the poll and voted without knowing what they were doing.

    It’s evident that they did since so many referred to META and stuff like that, so they voted for an option instead of the other, which in my opinion kind of makes this poll irrelevant, since even if only 15~ people voted differently the results wouldn’t be what they are now. The way you changed the options adding “NOT META RELATED” is good but it doesn’t change the votes that already have been cast.

    Then again it’s just my opinion and I do get making a new poll would be a hassle... I just feel like if this is how voting on stuff is handled I really wouldn’t want anyone that isn’t part of the staff voting on more important stuff and game decisions, but oh well

    PRO's PvP inconsistencies in regards to move/ability combinations

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    I'll be honest, I don't care if you are the best tournament showdown player, win countless tournaments in showdown. This really does not matter whatsoever to me, this is our game and we have to make decisions for THIS game not for Showdown/Smogon. What is the best way to do it? Let players vote who actually play THIS GAME and reach the Top25 spots.

    There are a ton of players who have this and never step into PvP.

     

    You are well aware that we are discussing "Tailglow Phione" or "Surf Pikachu + H.A/Pre Evo moves" and cases like that. If you really think this will "destroy PvP" then you are so far off what this post is about.

    It's great you removed the META related comments, but the people who wrote them clearly voted for the "case by case decision" option without even understanding what they were voting for. Doesn't that kind of invalidate this poll? I think you should make a new one with a clearer sentence than "Ban everything, ban every combination that is not valid in a Gen7 OU Showdown team" since "valid" is a very wide term and I think that's at least a part of what led to this confusion...

    PRO's PvP inconsistencies in regards to move/ability combinations

    in PvP

    Posted · Edited by Intoccabil3

    Guys, you are misunderstanding the whole situation.

    The topic of this thread is the Impossible combination of Abilities/moves, not the comparison with Smogon tier list. The topic of this thread is not about Pokemon that have been put in UBER tier in Gen 7, but the combination of moves and abilities that cannot be obtainable in the Pokemon games normally.

    I will make you an Example:

     

    In generation one THERE WERE NO ABILITIES.

    Machamp could learn the move Fissure in Generation 1, cause Fissure was a TM back in the days.

    Fissure TM has been removed in the next generations.

    With the PokeBank and Pokemon Red/blue/Yellow in virtual console on Nintendo 3DS, a Machamp from Pokemon Red/blue/Yellow can be transfered to the new games, but it will hold only his Hidden ability(it's a rule of these transfers).

    Now, in Gen7 Pokemon Games we can have a Machamp with fissure, but the only ability available for that Machamp is Steadfast.

    So, it's IMPOSSIBLE to find a Machamp No Guard + Fissure.

    Extend this thing to all pokemons that have the same problem and u get the topic of this thread.

     

     

    This is not to discuss tier lists, but to discuss about impossible combinations. Spend more than 2 minutes to read please.

    That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say, yet people keep saying “PRO should have a unique meta” and stuff, this is hopeless.

    Also how would the META be more diverse if the ones who are succeeding in this META are those who decide the changes? They have all the reasons to leave things as they are and none to actually give a proper opinion... It’s just a bad idea in my opinion and the fact that all those who supported it but one person based their arguments on META and tiers only further proves my point: people shouldn’t vote. The community clearly isn’t mature enough to read a short post and then cast a vote having all the information, how do you expect it to actually balance a game with so many variables?

    And all those who mention uncoded and broken stuff, the devs are working on it, sooner or later we’ll have everything

    Lastly, you might say this isn’t Pokémon, yet the game is literally named “Pokémon” Revolution Online

    I know it’s always fun to live in a world where the players make the balance calls, he’ll I’ve been in the LoL community since season 1, but the truth is making this kind of calls is hard and it has nothing to do with PvP success. The best game analysts are almost never the more successful players, and that’s true in every game.

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    PRO's PvP inconsistencies in regards to move/ability combinations

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    Posted

    Bro, you're the one misunderstanding my post. This is not about banning 1 thing. I gave an example to clarify PRO has his own metagame, based on what is coded or not. It makes 0 sense to look anywhere for knowing what to ban, which is the whole point of my message. Please read again carefully.

    I completely get what you say, but once again this isn’t a post about the OU metagame but about banning illegal combinations. The two things are separate issues that should be dealt with individually. Even if you voted “Good players get to vote” the Klefki issue wouldn’t be tackled as him having dual screens has nothing to do with illegal combinations created only in PRO. I hope you can understand

    PRO's PvP inconsistencies in regards to move/ability combinations

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    Posted

    I don't feel every combination that isn't possible in the original games should be banned. Gamefreak make games where each of them is supposed to feel unique. They implement new stuff each generation, but some other stuff, particularly TMs and Move Tutors, don't make it back. They are not necessarily choices for balance, but rather choices because of limitations. As thus, Showdown bans these not because they're broken, but because they want to simulate the experience of specific generations.

     

    On the other hand, we're an MMORPG that aims to make everything available. We have TMs and Tutors that were only available in old generations, available to use right here in a 7th Generation environment. So why should we pretend that a specific Pokemon should be unable to learn something? If it's broken, then sure we should ban it, but if that combination ends up only being a niche, why should we ban it?

     

    Elemental gems are not available in Gen 7, because they were replaced by Z-crystals. Should we ban Elemental gems then? If yes, then why are we even making them available to obtain? The only situation a gem is better than a Z-crystal is for Acrobatics, and that's not really broken.

     

    Gen 8 will be unable to bring back all Pokemons. Although the choice of which Pokemon to keep was done with the apparent consideration of a better balanced PvP environment, the choice itself of not keeping the Pokemon in the files was made due to limitations that we don't have. Should we then ban half of the Pokemon when we upgrade to gen 8? That would be ridiculous, and ruin the MMORPG experience.

     

    So yeah, since we're not trying to imitate the original games to the letter, it makes more sense to allow everything, and only ban what proves to be broken.

    I feel like you are only considering things in the short distance. First of all many pokes still have to be implemented from the previous generations, and whole regions too. If everything was allowed togheter with the new stuff sure, it’d be a more diverse game, but the new stuff they implement will be designed with the “gone stuff being gone” idea. Maybe things turn out fine with gen 8, but what about in 2/3 gens from now? How many illegal and broken combinations will this bring in time, and how much work will this bring to the deve who already have their hands more than full?

    This doesn’t mean old stuff has to be erased, no one said that, this is only about “invalid” combinations.

    Also even if gems were to be substituted by z crystals once they get released, you can still use gems in the rest of the game and not in PvP. It’s not the end of the world

    PRO's PvP inconsistencies in regards to move/ability combinations

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    Posted

    Good morning, as i mentionned in previous post, PRO has actually his own metagame. Since everything is not coded properly, things like Klefki Prankster have no counterplay in PRO and should be banned (in showdown you would switch to dark type), for eample. Each case should be consider knowing OUR metagame, 0 sense to look for others.

    Best regards,

    GengarLv100

    Like Qeight clearly explained, this isn’t about powerful stuff or broken stuff, but rather illegal combinations. You are basing your argument on the strength of some sets, but here the discussion is about if some sets should at all be possible.

    Having PRO’s own tiers would be the best thing, I agree, but I also think we should stick with the way the people who invented the game and were paid to do so for many generations intended the game to be played, instead of keeping stuff that exists out of a random chance in this particular game.

    I want to stress that you repeating this stuff about uncoded and too powerful stuff IS NOT what this poll is about. Please read it again carefully

    Boss service (on hold until lending isn’t disabled anymore)

    in Service Shops - Gold

    Posted · Edited by Intoccabil3

    WELCOME TO MY BOSS SERVICE SHOP!

     

    Hey guys!

     

    I have a team of six pokémons (some are from Hoenn so you do need to be Hoenn champion) that can take on every boss in the game (bosses that use 6 pokémons, not Munchlax Resort etc). The cost is 100k for a 24h lend.

    But wait, there's more! :CharYay:

    If you rent the team four times, the fifth one is free!

    You will definitely need at least 4 leftovers and 1 lagging tail or 1 macho brace, but there are details on how to get those items in the guide I will link to you once you pay me. The guide gives a step-by-step, move-by-move procedure on how to beat every single boss, so there's no room for mistake! :SquirtleSquad:

    I can also lend you whatever prerequisite pokémons you might need for some bosses (e.g. Pikachu for Jessie and James) for 30k more than the price you would normally pay

     

    IMPORTANT NOTE: please do not contact me if you only want to know the team, I won't give details. If you want to know the moves, rent the team.

     

    Feel free to contact me in game, on the forums and on discord:

    IGN: Intoccabil3

    DISCORD: Intoccabil3#1305

     

    See you! :PikaLurk:

    Boss Nikola and legendaries

    in General Support

    Posted

    Thanks! Last question: if I lose to boss Nikola, I can wait for the cooldown and then try again without losing the legendary I am missing due to being defeated by Nikola right?

     

    Also the post you linked says it doesn’t work if I have the caught data...

    Boss Nikola and legendaries

    in General Support

    Posted

    Ok great, thanks to you both. Does he give me time to go grab a sync poke and false swiper?

    Is the “risk” void if I use a masterball since it’s 100% catch rate?

    Is it once for each legendary or once for all legendaries? (Guess the first one but I am not sure)

    IV reroll bug

    in General Bugs

    Posted

    Ah, I saw some videos where they used to be able to do that and even in the legendary megathread the image showing the caught Celebi has something about that written on it. Thanks anyways! You were very helpful!

     

    Edit: I checked the legendary megathread, the reset IV thing is a whole different thing from rerolling, something I guess only mods and staff can do ^^

    Damn, that’s a pity... Once again thank you!

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