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First off thank you for your excellent write up on this topic! I appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss this topic I will do my best to address all of the topics you brought up. Lets first start with the possible Movesets for Mega Kangaskhan as you brought up a few: MUST - Fake Out MUST- PuP Choice of two: Sucker Punch, Body Slam, Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch, Earthquake, Return (Bold being ideal) Of the bulky tanks you brought up earlier Clefable, Zapdos, Skarmory, Alomamola, and Slowbro you will not find effectiveness against any of them given rocky helmet and regen/healing moves if you do not get a set up PuP. In addition to that Skarmory/Ferrothorn have access to Body Press: 252 Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhan-Mega Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 57-67 (17 - 20%) -- possible 5HKO 252+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan-Mega: 204-240 (58.1 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhan-Mega Power-Up Punch vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Ferrothorn: 80-96 (22.7 - 27.2%) -- possible 5HKO 80+ Def Ferrothorn Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan-Mega: 170-202 (48.4 - 57.5%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO I admit that as the Mega Kangaskhan user you have the ability to PuP on some of these pokemon to continue the set-up, but in my opinion these pokemon fully tank Mega Kangaskhan with no PuP/Scrappy set up move. We are in agreement on Mega Sableye so no need to talk more about that pokemon. Aegislash is a tough matchup as Sucker Punch and King Shield make in a toss up. But essentially if Kangaskhan is already Mega advantage Aegislash. Annihilape is the same sort of story, 1 on 1 Mega or not Annihilape will win this match up. Mawile is the worst of the 4, but in trick room its no contest, advantage Mawile. I think your point on the addition of Mega Kangaskhan making PVP more prediction reliant was an excellent one. That said I look at that as a positive for the meta game rather than a negative. I think right now, the issue with PVP in the metagame is that you can bring out 1 pokemon that can sweep a full team of 6. All of the counters for Mega Kangaskhan are already in many players teams. All of the pokemon we named above, Landorous, Mega Lopunny, Mega Metagross, Mega Medicham, Mach Punch users like Conk and Breloom, Unaware Clefable. In addition will-o-wisp and scald users have favorable match ups in a 1 on 1. To me, I don't think we are changing the meta in anyway by including PuP Mega Kangaskhan, given 90% of teams will have one of them checks for it. Again great point regarding focus sash and sturdy and this is probably one of the reasons why I like Mega Kangaskhan the most. In addition to this, to get through substitute. Sub-Kyurem is impacted negatively by this inclusion which would definitely help the metagame. As much as I want to make this about Trick Room, that was not the reason why I originally brought this topic up. I think without the addition of new pokemon the meta becomes stale and predictable. I think for many of the main abusers of the current meta, the addition of Mega Kangaskhan would help check them. The more I thought about this, the more I think Seismic Toss should not be included albeit a totally different topic/moveset. So for the purposes of being concise, I think we should only review Power Up Punch + Mega Kangaskhan moving forward. Unrelated point but I brought this up to a few people earlier so figure I will post here as well. In many scenarios you will switch to Kangaskhan after a pokemon feints. You will Mega-Evo and get +2 from Power Up Punch. After that you would way to out speed faster poke is through Sucker Punch, meaning if you are playing H.O. the rest of the game is Sucker Punch +2 to go first. This is very similar to playing Mega Mawile in Trick Room after 1 Swords Dance, that said the damage output for 1 Swords Dance Sucker Punch on Mega Mawile is higher than that of Power Up Punch + Sucker Punch Mega Kangaskhan. My point of all of this is to say, in the most likely scenario, Mega Kangaskhan is less impactful than Mega Mawile. Looking forward to your response!

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I calced the matchup for mega maw vs mega Kang... Play rough does 80%-93% DMG on perfect Kang. Fake out +body slam does around half. If Kang does fake out-> power up punch-> sucker punch that's the only way to kill maw. I think maw has kangs number

Also just to be clear, I think power up punch should 100% be unbanned. Seismic toss maybe needs some testing. On Smogon Power up punch isn't even the most optimal moveset.

Hi, I think enough time has passed in game that we can review the ban on power-up punch and seismic toss on mega Kang. When those moves were originally banned, we did not have pokes like mega mawile, mega sableye, annihilape and Aegislash. All of these completely counter mega Kang. In addition to this, there are new moves like body press which will destroy this poke as well. I find it hard to believe that this poke is meta defining, when most teams are using mega lopunny, h.o. or stall, mega Kang doesn't seem to impact pvp as much as any of the above. Looking forward to the discussion.

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