State of the Metagame: Kyurem

[Machao754]

I just want to say, please please please make sure you understand what checks and counters are before commenting.  It is super interesting how so many people here is playing this game as if its a 1v1 match.  And I've seen other crazy arguments about how oh, calm mind clef beats kyurem because it can set up against it.  Yeah, while I do categorize clefable more as a Kyurem counter, please be mindful that the Kyurem user is not obligated in staying in while you set up against it and allow it to sweep their whole team lol.  Please offer a better argument.  Thanks.

Edited 21 hours ago by Machao754

[Ferocityy]

my homie once send this on pro discord. Try to read and reorganise your thoughts before typing nonsense.

[Smogonplayer]

I think banning Kyurem would be a healthy move for the metagame. 

Some small brained people may say "it beats stall, therefore it is good and shouldn't be banned".

The argument that I'd like to share is Kyurem vs Balance and Bulky Offense. 

Despite being a great option for dismantling bulkier teams thanks to pressure, when combined with Roost it's fairly easy for a Kyurem to 1v1 pokemon such as Clefable simply by Subbing and Roosting and once it's health is low, switch out to another pokemon to scare Clefable out then pivot back in Kyurem to roost again and repeat the whole sequence, if you manage to do this 2 or 3 times it's over for most balance teams which utilise Clefable as their answer to Kyurem.

But then think of Kyurem behind a sub, what switch ins are there? Steel types struggles to recover enough HP to resist constant Freeze Dry or Ice Beams in the late game, and pokemon such Tyranitar or fat water types like Slowbro, Rotom-W, and your mother are taking super effective damage from Freeze Dry and cannot withstand switching in constantly. 

Now you got to look into perspective of chess, a healthy piece is what can take one or 2 things but if a pokemon can take on multiple pokemon it is taking at least 1/3rd of the team. Which is bad, and unhealthy and uncompetitive. 

I think therefore, the correct move is to ban Kyurem and not to mention we got buffs such as snow, or and you know a pokemon is overpowered when it can 1v1 its checks and counters. 

[N0che]

I dont think i have enough experience to saying things, but i can say kyurem is just too good, literally can handle 3 archetypes almost by himself it say alot (rain, stall and trick room). 

Edited 17 hours ago by N0che

[Pillowporkers69]

I ran this set before Gen 9 update to top 5 on the ladder using Ice Beam instead of Freeze Dry. The extra 16 PP is probably mighty useful for what you are trying to accomplish with this mon.

[Talz1]

Hey, i hope all of you are fine. I totaly agree with 0danobunaga.

The problem is the combination of Freeze dry + Kyurem.

 

When i see the teams used by players for face the majority of Ou poke you can see a lot of team with a ground poke + one Water + one Dragon/ Fly poke.

Here we have the problem. Freeze Dry work well for all this type of poke and Kyurem have good spd, good bulk and a insane dmg.

 

Thats make him too dangerous with this moove. Some defensiv pokemon generaly used good for counter this poke like Celesteela, Magearna cant be used in pro for counter him.

So yeah Scizor is one of the best answer true but some Kyurem can too run hp fire and its a gg.

 

To be honest i think Kyurem-black is too dangerous with this moove.

Kyurem-Black is sometime prefered for the versatility and the capacity to break defensive poke and spécial defensive poke in the same time, ad freeze dry at this poke and you get a monster.

I think its good to remember all the discussion and problem Kyurem-black have caused in other competitiv and tournament like smog tourna. 

 

 

I wish you at all a good game and ty  for the post.

Edited 1 hour ago by Talz1