Well that's why I think it doesn't works correctly, because I was in that situation twice and in both ocasions the second hit did less damage

 

Exactly, second hit should do the same damage because of the activation of the orb

Orb being actived doesn't mean it's been "used" like a one time thing , heal bell , and switch again into your orb user, he's going to be statued again , that's why you almost never switch gliscor on a knock off user . First knock off deals 97.5bp and remove the orb, snd one is going to do knock off"s base damage so 65.

 

PS: Toxic and flame orb are bugged af for the information , never use toxic orb leveling thing like heracross and spam facade, once you doesn't ohko the ennemie pokemon are battle a trainer, the pokemon is going to take the accumulate damage of every fight you did so far (6->12->etc that's how toxic damage works, ending a fight skip status damage ,but yeah how it's coded atm it kind of accumulate and never goes off ,once you doesn't end up straight a fight ,accumlated damage just come to say hello) For flame orb , sometimes it just doesn't activate at all or not showing the burn effect .

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Well that's why I think it doesn't works correctly, because I was in that situation twice and in both ocasions the second hit did less damage

 

Ok, so here's what hes saying.

Two turns:

1. No burn, opponent has item, use kockoff, does X amount of damage.

2. Burned, have guts ability, opponent doesn't have item, use knock off, does Y amount of damage.

 

In theory, X should equal to Y, but he's experiencing otherwise.

 

Read more carefully next time.

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Well that's why I think it doesn't works correctly, because I was in that situation twice and in both ocasions the second hit did less damage

 

Ok, so here's what hes saying.

Two turns:

1. No burn, opponent has item, use kockoff, does X amount of damage.

2. Burned, have guts ability, opponent doesn't have item, use knock off, does Y amount of damage.

 

In theory, X should equal to Y, but he's experiencing otherwise.

 

Read more carefully next time.

 

That's exactly what I meant, thanks

Read more carefully next time.

I read what he said, and in each occasion that I've used guts + orb I've not noticed a reduced amount of damage to pokes that don't resist it when using knock off. You aren't taking into account the fact that knock off is increased by 1.5.x on the BP when the target is holding a removable item. Guts increases attack by 50%, but doesn't increase the base power of knock off.

299744 Guts increases attack by 50%, but doesn't increase the base power of knock off

If you put this on a damage calculator, you will see that guts+burned+knockoff(opponent has no item) does almost identical damage to guts+not burned+knockoff(opponent has item) with margin of error of 1%. So what he's experiencing doesn't make any sense, because hes having significantly lower damage in one scenario over another.