Rule 7's current implementation is ridiculous

[Idkup]

Okay, this post might get a little ranty...

 

Full disclosure, I had two accounts on ladder last season.

 

Anyways, this is Rule 7 currently:

7. Having multiple accounts linked to one person (Alternate accounts) on the end-of-season Top 25 will result in the permanent suspension of said accounts.

 

Now, I can see why some people consider multiple accounts unfair. I'm getting double the reward at the end of the season as others on the ladder. I'm also contributing a considerable amount more to my guild than people without a second / third ladder account. But this implementation in effect prevents me from using my alts at all.

 

Yellow ladder is honestly very weak. It only takes cerca 50 games to hit top 25, and even if I don't pass the current #25, there is a sizeable chance that they drop. If by chance one of my accounts does end up in 25 with, say, around 400 rating and 40ish games, and season is reported to be nearly ending, what am I to do?

 

Rule 5: 5. Using another account, or logging onto someone else's account, to intentionally boost the rating of another account is forbidden, and action will be taken if caught.

 

This rule prevents me from intentionally losing to drop out of top 25 in order to avoid being banned. Basically, to prevent ending up in this situation, I can play no more than about 40 games on my alt(s) and even fewer if I start them up late. This is, in my opinion, rather unfair, as it is in effect preventing only decent players from running alts, while newbs hitting 1.5-2:1 w/l can do so with impunity.

 

Here are some changes that might make it more fair:

1. Ban alts on ladder entirely. Simple fix.

2. Allow alts on ladder, simply don't give them prizes. I would prefer this, really. Also knocks people that don't deserve a spot off ladder. And before anyone complains about grinding, across my 3 accounts I had less games than some people had on a single account on the ladder, so if you're looking to resolve people nolifing ladder, alts aren't the place to look.

3. Prevent one person from having more than one account in the same guild.

 

Now for a short list of points on why alts are (imo) healthy for the ladder:

1. Alts promote creativity. I've run multiple somewhat random teams on my alts that I definitely wouldn't run on my main... 4 dragon offense, rain / sand dual weather, etc. Even my current main ladder team was first run on an alt. This allowed me to iron out issues and not use the bread and butter sand offense that dominates ladder today. This is a huge issue, take a look at these usage numbers:

 

Pokemon Usage %Usage(5) %Usage(12-1) %Usage(Total) %Change

Togekiss 20 29.55665025 23.79423868 27.63584639 24.21767572

Azumarill 18 26.60098522 20.95336077 24.71844374 26.95331081

Tyranitar 16 23.6453202 20.38408779 22.55824273 15.99891268

Talonflame 16 23.6453202 19.93278464 22.40780834 18.62527303

Gengar 18 26.60098522 13.89711934 22.36636326 91.41366328

Ferrothorn 17 25.12315271 11.77914952 20.67515165 113.2849461

Excadrill 16 23.6453202 13.75857339 20.34973793 71.85880781

Blissey 11 16.25615764 24.26611797 18.92614441 -33.00882467

Scizor 12 17.73399015 20.9739369 18.8139724 -15.44748975

 

These usage percentages are already massive, and they ARE BASICALLY ALL INCREASING. Question my methodology all you want, but if you want to stifle creativity, killing alts is the best way to do so.

 

2. Once you hit top 25, it's currently pointless to ladder further. There isn't a reward for #10, #5, or even #1. This should be resolved. Even 1 pvp coin / win is no incentive, the 500 received from season end far outweighs it.

 

3. Ladder is currently super easy to climb. If almost all top players stop laddering like two weeks into the season because their spot in top 25 is secure, that only makes it easier... (And yes, it is easy, idkupthree took around 20 matches to hit 350 yesterday, and would have gone higher if it weren't for ladder reset and rule change) If they have incentive to continue playing on alts, then at least some difficulty remains.

 

I hope you take my opinion into consideration.

[Theprodigy]

Firstly, you can just purposley lose to another player, you don't need your alt to do that for you. a little edit: even if you wanted to use your other account to make your alt purposely lose it would still be boosting and would still be considered boosting, if you make your alt lose to get off ladder you are basically boosting your main account in the process.)

Secondly, why do you have to PvP on your alt besides to test a team? just play PvP on your first account and use your alt to test teams or whatever, you don't have to play PvP on it until it hits ladder lol.

 

those are my solutions i have a lot more but i think these are the most obvious and best for now.

[Idkup]

Firstly, you can just purposley lose to another player, you don't need your alt to do that for you.

Secondly, why do you have to PvP on your alt besides to test a team? just play PvP on your first account and use your alt to test teams or whatever, you don't have to play PvP on it until it hits ladder lol.

 

those are my solutions i have a lot more but i think these are the most obvious and best for now.

 

Because I hit ladder in under 50 games and purposely losing is against the rules.

 

Testing a team for me CAN AND WILL take me to ladder very quickly. I'd be unable to test after about ~80 games on kuptwo and kupthree.

[Theprodigy]

like i said up top. even if you wanted to use your other account to make your alt purposely lose it would still be boosting and would still be considered boosting, if you make your alt lose to get off ladder you are basically boosting your main account in the process and also you can just purposley lose to another player, you don't need your alt to do that for you.

 

You are just reading what you want to read.

[Idkup]

like i said up top. even if you wanted to use your other account to make your alt purposely lose it would still be boosting and would still be considered boosting, if you make your alt lose to get off ladder you are basically boosting your main account in the process and also you can just purposley lose to another player, you don't need your alt to do that for you.

 

You are just reading what you want to read.

 

Losing to another player IS BOOSTING.

[Theprodigy]

like i said up top. even if you wanted to use your other account to make your alt purposely lose it would still be boosting and would still be considered boosting, if you make your alt lose to get off ladder you are basically boosting your main account in the process and also you can just purposley lose to another player, you don't need your alt to do that for you.

 

You are just reading what you want to read.

 

Losing to another player IS BOOSTING.

 

well better than getting banned because you are boosting on your own. also if yellow is as easy to get on ladder as you say it is you can just pass up the people you just lost to very easily right?

 

you are really making no sense dude imo this topic should be locked as non-sense not trying to start an argument or cause some anger but seriously this post makes no sense whatsoever.

[Bladermagician]

Tell me how it is fair that you come in at the end of the season and play 30-40 games and knock someone off the ladder who has been trying to hold a spot playing countless games over the course of the season?

[Idkup]

Tell me how it is fair that you come in at the end of the season and play 30-40 games and knock someone off the ladder who has been trying to hold a spot playing countless games over the course of the season?

 

My w/l is 5+:1. Theirs is hardly 2:1. Tell me how it's fair that they even get a spot on ladder.

 

Also, kuptwo started at the beginning of the season.

[Bladermagician]

Tell me how it is fair that you come in at the end of the season and play 30-40 games and knock someone off the ladder who has been trying to hold a spot playing countless games over the course of the season?

 

My w/l is 5+:1. Theirs is hardly 2:1. Tell me how it's fair that they even get a spot on ladder.

 

Also, kuptwo started at the beginning of the season.

 

You're already on the ladder. Why is it up to you to determine who is worthy of a ladder spot or not?

[Idkup]

[/quote2]

Tell me how it is fair that you come in at the end of the season and play 30-40 games and knock someone off the ladder who has been trying to hold a spot playing countless games over the course of the season?

 

My w/l is 5+:1. Theirs is hardly 2:1. Tell me how it's fair that they even get a spot on ladder.

 

Also, kuptwo started at the beginning of the season.

 

You're already on the ladder. Why is it up to you to determine who is worthy of a ladder spot or not?

 

I can knock people off even if I don't hit top 25. Kupthree knocked off at least one person when I attempted a last minute rush (I failed btw). Not my fault they lose to me.