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[mention]Jorogumo[/mention], if we wanted to upset staffs we would just search new posts and post them to our friends on discord. ;) ;) The fact that Gliscor H.a + Defog was banned as well is the issue here; we never voted on this. We never voted on banning illegal move combinations. I was under the impression we voted on Clefable H.a + Softboiled being OP and not illegal move combinations. They made the call to ban Gliscor+Defog given the explanation it's also an illegal move combination. Precedent has been set; hence the request to ban everything that falls under this precedent otherwise let us vote on Gliscor+Defog and remove that "illegal combination" explanation.

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[mention]Frrf[/mention] given the fact that there are shiny dogs out there, the vote is valid

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Re: Mieons Animated Art Shop! (◕‿◕✿) <r><MENTION><s>[mention]</s>Mieon<e>[/mention]</e></MENTION> Hi.</r>

What [mention]bladermagician[/mention] meant is that we need to cover up all possibilities to ensure a fair competitive play.

[mention]Jorogumo[/mention], they set the precedent, they gonna live with us requesting to ban those things now. Someone explained it very well here --> https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=449708#p449708

[mention]Frrf[/mention] actually they need both, the nature and to be shiny so yeah :frog: :tea:

[mention]Starlight[/mention], again I have no clue if Aeroblast was legal or not, seemed a little off since its a Lugia only move

[mention]Starlight[/mention], no clue honestly, enlighten me kind sir

Legendary dogs must be shiny and have the correct nature to be able to learn the move, not hard to proof.

[mention]envymeister[/mention], right! now we just wait and see how staffs follow logic :P

[mention]envymeister[/mention] actually Mapple confirmed it already; I dont know why it wasn't put forward.

[mention]envymeister[/mention] this all requires staff to follow logic though. I mean we didnt get to vote on Gliscor+Defog so yeah..

[mention]ClockSpeed[/mention], nature reset has nothing to do with this discussion. Nature reset if done like the IVs reset will only have an effect on the PVP community and not the rest (rest = lower placed player who can't afford it in a million years)

[mention]envymeister[/mention] putting Tail Glow Phione and Aeroblast Smeargle on that list as well*

[mention]ClockSpeed[/mention], doesn't matter in terms of the precedent. They should be banned by staffs logic.

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[mention]Shuldbdoinhw[/mention] We didn't vote on that explanation, we voted on it not being available in the original games; which is true. I see where you are coming from but the precedent is the same nonetheless. This argument was brought up the most "it's illegal" "it's not possible in the original games". Your version and the version they put in the rules is correct but not something we have voted on. A lot of players voted given the reason that it's not possible in the original games, which makes this a precedent and this will ban Tail Glow on Phione otherwise the entire vote was a fail and we once again voted for nothing.

[mention]Shuldbdoinhw[/mention], does that matter in terms of it being legal or not? I haven't seen a Defog Gliscor in ages, actually I have never seen one since the Defog TM Teacher was implemented and I played more than enough since then. Tail Glow Phione is possible given it is in the Event Move tutor; I don't necessarily agree on banning it because it's legit a trash pokemon but following the logic of the reason why Defog Gliscor was banned as well (on top of Unaware+Softboiled which we voted on), Phione + Tail Glow should be banned and I am looking forward to it being banned otherwise this precedent is worth nothing. It doesn't really matter where Gliscor could learn it, Phione could NEVER learn Tail Glow

[mention]Shuldbdoinhw[/mention], that's why we are asking to ban others moves as well that aren't possible and are just a "PRO" thing. Tail Glow on Phione or Aeroblast on Smeragle

[mention]Shuldbdoinhw[/mention], they banned Gliscor H.A + Defog without letting us vote on it even though they said we will get a vote. It's speaking of experience nothing else. :P