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Ahh Shid again, I am tired speaking about these. Hey Dude The mon can swept teams! When it has correct moveset. When can it have correct moveset? When its carrying ice beam, gunk shot, u turn, low kick, surf, hp grass, hp fire, shadow sneak and spikes at same time. People say they don't know what kind of ninja they are facing and lose a mon against it in process of learning its Playstyle. That's not possible, It can't ohko any common walls even with super effective moves. Its quite easy to scout the Playstyle of a ninja but people are using it as a excuse to prove its broken or unhealthy for meta. Thanks for your opinion

Thanks for acknowledging that your points are bad 1) greninja can u turn out of walls Hmm, Nice reason to ban ninja 2) Megas + Ninjas Soo, any poke that help chip down oppo team is bannable. FACT IS any poke can do it, even a Rattata lol, what's with these synergies well with strong mons. Dude which mon wouldn't lol 3) Ban walls? Who said that? Did you read wrong post or are just too sleepy 4) Spikes Heyy, I am ninja I can spike. Again You are just proving my point. Why would a mon be banned for being able to use spike and also pressure defogger! Defog wastes a turn? Well as you said walls are part of game! Soo are hazards 5) Greninja is a chipper The dude who made these point is legit! He actually is, but before chipping oppo team he would be chipp his ownself lol. Greninja usually relys on life orb to gas his attacks you see. U turns, ice beams soo what!!! Any mon can do that to chip Opposite team. 6)4 move synodrom Again, tnks for proving my point. The thing requires 14 different moves to be perfect, how many it can keep "4" Let's ban it anyways since it can SPIKES 7) Swtich out Wow soo you guys do acknowledge switching out! Just do it the next time you see a ninja against you. Good Day ^^

Dude! That's my point!!! 4 move syndrome duh. There is no perfect greninja out there, it will always be lacking some move for something. Not even going to mention than how most defoggers even though weak to greninja, but are immune to spikes. Its upto you as a "good player" to bring it out the right moment or create one to defog! Its just a false accusation to put it all on Greninja

His Point was regarding U turning against wall Pokes, why can't landorus, mega scizor etc can be compared for it. Why are you guys treating greninja like its the most broken pokemon ever. Fact is its not! It was just flexible enough to fit different teams and his biggest flaw was that he can learn spikes!!! Dudes killed him for learning spikes xD Only thing i see ninja was op against was STALL only STALL. I love stall

That doesn't make sense bro, If that's the case than every u turner should be banned! Landorus would be the first (I Love it though)

How is it not making sense to you, I used the word Omg and Read only once or twice each!!! I just think you guys are trying to act like all knowings bcs you simply can't stand ninja in ranked! What's more to explain, I provide the calcs, u say I did swtich against the mons, what's the [hecking] point, Ninja is supposed to be strong right? It can't even swtich in to mons that its supposed to kill! I am providing my explanation, its you who isn't dude. Thanks. Bye.

How can you act funny when u clearly said something, I prove it otherwise and than u say I cant understand rhetoric. Also the only reason I brought along Petiton was to prove a fact with numbers since they didn't held a voting. Anyway, was good to have you here, thanks for your opinions. Have a good day.

Sorry I am not as fancy at quoting and editing as you are, but when I created these post I thought that experienced players will well know the facts that I am providing like it getting 2hkoed and stuff even if they want it banned, soo i didnt show calculations but than you show up, First and formost you completly missed the part where I mentioned that metagross isnt being suspected upon here, I am just tryin to prove a point with it. I love metagross, seems like you too do. One word READ! I clearly said its been around for two years and pvp is still alive, than how is it harmful for meta now Whats it that counters tyranitar, infernape and their likes, hell even a blaze blaziken, they are unpredictable, they dont have counters OMG!!! Show us. 252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 125-148 (43.8 - 51.9%) -- 10.2% chance to 2HKO 252+ Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 192-227 (67.3 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Lol cant even tank 2 bb from skarmory:- 0 Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 148-175 (51.9 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO I know it isnt weak to flying, but i find it funny, I can show many more I would throw my chansey against the ninja and let it die a painful death from his own lie orb recoil when I am just softboilong. Just kidding, Again I can list other mons that can be unpredicatble, that doesnt mean banning them, if you cant handle pvp heat! why play it lmao Nice to know. Why tho? I thought you knew English, I said I didn't realize what they meant from that point soo I clearly left it untouched without any comment regarding it. Its again the "handle" question. Just explain how to deal with Greninja. How do you deal with it in a proper way. Alright, you are trying to act smart at these point. I clearly mean that when you have a ninja thats either mix, physical or special, it alone cant handle the enitre metagame. There will always be something that ninja cant kill. You tell me a perfect ninja moveset and I will delete these thread right away. I dont want to be toxic, I never like to be, I just wanted a discussion or a voting for Ninja ban, I dont know why some people are being rude. I hope you undertsand that our personal values should always be higher than the game. Have a good day.

I would call you blind but I am not a toxic person and also you are probably not bcs you have been posting. Dont you see the bracket next to their names, I am clearly just putting a point, not asking for there ban. Hope you take these nicely, Thanks .

"Opening Doors" Isnt that what Pokemon is about, teammates helping each other? Weavile clears way for mega Alakazam, Magnezone does the same for Mega Altaria. All I am trying to say is that these are not valid points for Ninja ban

I believe you didn't read the post, neither the discussion. I along with others here never stated how we love ninja, how we spent money on it ( I didnt anyway) , how we farmed ninja for hours, nor we asked for chansey or alomolola ban. Kindly go through it all for making a valid ban/ unban comment!

Bro that point being marked, Mega Metagross shouldnt have been unbanned aswell. Tyranitar should have been banned, Infernape should be banned. Basically anything that can run mix. No offense, I dont think thats a valid point for ninja ban. We are still buddies super

When I say it dies to life orb recoil I point at its fragility, not it dying to 10 recoils. It is majorly nerfed already with the relese of Megas like Alakazam, Manetric, Slowbro, Beedril, Loppuny and more, its not even wrecking teams!!! Its dying to stupid 40 bp priority moves when coupled with his orb recoil. Greninja being able to both spike and pressure defogger just doesnt seem like a valid ban reason to me. It should be upto a player to predict and play and not just complain about a pokemon setting spikes and killing their defogger. Only reason I would do it is if I would be using stall.

I love you for making these point Keita!!! Since you guys already banned ninja, it must mean to you that ninja ban is liked by most (%) of the community. Votings have been held before for several different things, I request one now for these aswell. No better way to decide if the community loved it or hated it. Please do it, for proving either one of our points for once and all

Hello, Thanks for providing your feedback, I seriously dont realize whats with some players and spikes from greninja alone. Its going to be banned bcs it can spikes against an incoming wall! I dont see the logic!? Which Poke cant, every pokemon that can learn spike can. I am not going to show calcs but its easy enough to realize that ninja cant 0hko the stapple walls even with super effective moves. Low kick doesnt even do 50 to chansey, hp fire doesn't kill ferro, gunk shot doesnt kill clefable!!! The set of ninja can be easily predicted as most of these walls have reliable recovery moves which they can use in the very same turn to heal off most dmg from ninja. For your last point, when it comes to supporting, softening, weakning etc etc the opposite team, the likes of tornadus, tyranitar, klefki ( best spiker duh) and others does a way better job than ninja. They are actually bulky to take moves and hit back, unlike ninja who would eventually die from either his own life orb recoil, a priority or just from a bulky attacker who tanked his hit.

So Please inform us whats the best way to let our comments be heard. I certainly believe that a big part of our community didnt respond well to the ban but is unpleased with it. I created the petition just so that you guys atleast takes the number into consideration. There have been people proving both the sides of these on the enitre thread. It was same with a other thread that I saw few days ago. But all what I see is that only the one's who say how greninja is harmful for meta taken into consideration. Please listen to those in favor of ninja aswell.

And they say its unpredictable and can cause offensive pressure! LMAO ( no disrespect for anyone sry)

Bro did u forgot softboiled? I think you did! Greninja cant even go through a pink blob. It can instanatly ohko a ferro even with hp fire. Clefable survives 1 gunk shot from ninja. All these can easily scount out the ninja set! Pvping is all about predicting, or maybe most guys just want to make it a childs play where u just win by clicking most effective move and not predicting at all. Thanks for wishing

Excatly, Thanks for adding the great point!!!

Bro did u even read the post, thats the point! "4 move synodrom" Ninja is ofc OP but cant cover everything at once. When was the last time your entire team was sweeped by a ninja?never for me! It would be the best pokemon in world if it was allowed to use all its movepool in a battle, but it cant. Its limited to 4 like metagross

Thanks for providing your lovely opinion. Have a Good day ^^

Hey thanks for providing your thoughts, But If I take your theory into consideration, than stall mons like chansey and alomolola should be the first to get banned ( not that I want them banned, just logic) becuase they form almost unbreakable teams and cores with other stall mons. As for the defog pressure, ferrothron does it way better than greninja. It can both stealth rock and spikes and power whip and leech seed the life out of poor rotom. Why isnt it banned ( again dont want it banned, just saying)

Thanks, Its good to see there are people who support ^-^

Do you always find rain in ranked?? How do you kill a Ferro and a Pelipper with scarf ninja, do you hp fire or ice beam? move locked with scarf ninja! Its upto how good the rain player is, not how broken ninja is.

Unban Greninja Here:- (Removed Petition as it was overruled) I Request an All Player accessible Voting for Final Ban/Unban Decision of Protean Greninja. Greninja has been a part of ranked pvp for almost 2 year iirc. It was never consider broken! Why now? Mega Metagross was kept unbanned for few reasons stated on discord! Let's compare Geninja with those reasons. Keep in mind that I love Mega Metagross and these is just to compare, not prove anything against mega Metagross. 1) It has yet to show signs of breaking metagame - I got no reason to believe that greninja is harmful for metagame, that thing is been around for 2 years! If it was harmful, shouldn't the metagame be dead by now 2) It has fair checks and counters- Lmao for real, you are going to unban Mega Metagross for that reason and not greninja. I do realize that greninja can be played smartly with protean, but that thing is fragile asf! It gets 2hko from moves it resist ( especilly since it requires - def/ sp.def nature because of mix run) It has to be run with life orb usally which just adds up to its fragility. 3) It has 4 moveslot syndrome- Its getting real at these point. You really believe that metagross has these syndrome and not GRENINJA. Players who fear it is because it can run mix or at its best hp fire. Surf, Ice beam, hp Fire, Spikes, low kick, gunk shot, u turn, extrasensory,hp grass... WOW no 4 move syndrome at all. To add up , they said it could run 7-8 moves that it would like to run ( metagross) but is limited to 4, WHAT ABOUT NINJA THAN??? you think it can cover entire meta in its 4 moves? 4) It doesn't yet restrict teambuilding to an unhealthy extent- I dont even know what he wanna prove with these point. Lets move onn 5) It can be dealt with all major playstyles- whats the current meta, chansey? ferrothrom?? clefable??? Playstyle- Rain? Trickroom?? Balanced Teams??? Greninja can handle all of them alone? with 4 moves?? OK I think if all these reasons can cause mega metagross to unban, than greninja deserves an unban aswell. Please sign the Petiton if you feel Greninja was banned unfairly, Thank you.