What is the future of the game? Flopped?

[Mysticwind]

Skill issue if you dont like stall tbh, copied team is part of a game, not like it change your life if people want to copy ABR team in PRO.

Economy is fine for the moment until gen7+ update ofc we need a auction house for Easiest trade but it is not needed imo.

 

Just need a new region but do you know how much time it take for a mapper team (3 members of this team with irl stuff in the back) content is here, Hoopa at Halloween even if we get nothing at xmas you still have things to do. 

 

You have over 40 bosses, dont have to wait 14 days since you have the limit of 20 bosses per week.

 

Translation was already a discussion, it is not because you have "52% of Brazilian" (thanks Delta for the stats btw) that you need a translation for your country only, english is the main langage in the world and most important. If we do this, just do it for everyone (french/german/Italian..)

Edited 19 hours ago by Mysticwind

[Ichibann]

Being an old player I feel like I could input my opinion on this even though I haven't played the game actively in years. 

 

11 hours ago, Jhonvga said:

Extremely heavy economy; It is impossible for a new player to achieve things in trade chat just by buying things, pokes and items and cosmetics are OVERPRICED, or completely undervalued, and honestly the way of selling items/cosmetics and pokes in game is horrible and needs to be changed urgently.

 

That's inflation, happens in most of any MMO's. There isn't only real way to fight it, except maybe adding extremely expensive money sinks but even that doesn't fix the issue

 

11 hours ago, Jhonvga said:

Pvp in pro is all about Stall, copied teams, and people playing for other people/helping.

 

Can't really speak on this since I don't PVP, but considering they created a new role for PVP I could see the issues mentioned fixed or at least made better somehow in a distant future. 

 

11 hours ago, Jhonvga said:

In particular, I like the cosmetics, but no more useless skins, mounts and clothes, the PRO has stopped in time, I look at this game and I see myself in 2016, they could revamp the graphics, add some effect, I don't know, leave the game more alive and more beautiful.

 

The sprites follow the pokemon style and there isn't really a reason to re-do the entire graphics. As for the HUD that takes time, there's not only stuff needed from the artists but from programming wise as well, but I do agree it would be nice. Skins have always been for hunters during events from the beginning of PRO, there isn't really a reason to remove them imo

 

11 hours ago, Jhonvga said:

The lack of translation in the game flops almost 50% of the player base in Brazil, it is absurd that our country has a player with great influence both in the media on YouTube and in the game, and there is no PT-BR translation, I'm not just saying for Brazil but rather one translation at least for the largest player base...

 

Brazil isn't the largest portion of the playerbase. Regardless if it was or not, if you make a translation for one language you have to do it for almost everyone. Just translating for one language is thousands and thousands of lines to change and it's not a realistic workload for a volunteer's team, maybe a translation for the UI but even then it's extremely time consuming 

 

 

I can agree that the game looks slowed in time with no " big content" update, but things like Astrella have been worked on for a while, a lot of people have left during these kind of projects  so I'm sure that could create a lot of delays. Hopefully we get news sooner rather than later 

[Jhonvga]

1 hour ago, Mysticwind said:

Problema de habilidade se você não gosta de stall, para ser sincero, o time copiado faz parte do jogo, não é como se isso mudasse sua vida se as pessoas quisessem copiar o time ABR no PRO .

A economia está boa no momento, até a atualização da gen7+, é claro que precisamos de uma casa de leilões para facilitar o comércio, mas, na minha opinião, não é necessário.

 

Só preciso de uma nova região, mas você sabe quanto tempo leva para uma equipe de mapeadores (3 membros dessa equipe com coisas da vida real no fundo) ter conteúdo aqui, Hoopa no Halloween, mesmo que não ganhemos nada no Natal, vocês ainda têm coisas para fazer. 

 

Você tem mais de 40 chefes, não precisa esperar 14 dias, pois seu limite é de 20 chefes por semana.

 

Tradução já era uma discussão, não é porque você tem "52% de brasileiros" (obrigado Delta pelas estatísticas, a propósito) que você precisa de uma tradução somente para seu país, inglês é a principal língua do mundo e a mais importante. Se fizermos isso, faça para todos (francês/alemão/italiano...)

Good afternoon, based on your feedback you seem very satisfied with the game so far, perhaps even accommodating, I believe it's an old player if you think the in-game item sales system is good or acceptable, I'm sorry but on this point you're wrong , it's horrible and needs to be improved urgently. If you say that the economy is a good question for other players, few have the nerve to tell the truth and the economy is broken, any minimally decent pokemon (without form) doesn't cost less than 1m (only those that are not usable in pvp , when I mention usable I would say viable for the sigle battle OR PRO format). The big problem in relation to PVP isn't even the stalls since the teams are well-prepared, it's that Big Guilds and players encourage new players to start using this archetype, but thanks to gen9 it's healthier to do pvp. Regarding the bosses, you must be rich or inject a lot of cash into the game, the donator tag is self-explanatory, the boss rewards are horrible 50k for a boss on hard? ridiculous considering the price of things in game and since you literally need money to do literally everything in game, if you are at zero and without items all you have to do is pvp or killing pokemons in the woods... even quests need money. money...

[Wlopes]

I just agree.

The names on the chat keep rotating, we see new players all the time but they quit in a few weeks. Of course, we see old player as always, but it is not looking healthy IMO.

 

This game is just about events (hlw mostly). I love to play it, but when out of an event it is like a solo game.

 

Sth must change to make it great again.

[Jhonvga]

1 hora atrás, Ichibann disse:

Como sou um jogador antigo, sinto que posso dar minha opinião sobre isso, mesmo não jogando há anos. 

 

 

Isso é inflação, acontece na maioria dos MMOs. Não há uma única maneira real de combatê-la, exceto talvez adicionar sumidouros de dinheiro extremamente caros, mas mesmo isso não resolve o problema

 

 

Não posso falar sobre isso, já que não jogo PVP, mas considerando que eles realizaram uma nova função para PVP, posso ver os problemas referenciados corrigidos ou pelo menos melhorados de alguma forma em um futuro distante. 

 

 

Os sprites seguem o estilo pokemon e não há realmente uma razão para refazer todos os gráficos. Quanto ao HUD que leva tempo, não há apenas coisas permitidas aos artistas, mas também da programação, mas eu concordo que seria legal. As skins sempre foram para os caçadores durante os eventos desde o início do PRO , não há realmente uma razão para removê-las na minha opinião

 

 

O Brasil não é a maior parte da base de jogadores. Independentemente de ser ou não, se você fizer uma tradução para um idioma, terá que fazê-lo para quase todos. Só traduzir para um idioma são milhares e milhares de linhas para mudar e não é uma carga de trabalho realista para uma equipe de voluntários, talvez uma tradução para a IU, mas mesmo assim é extremamente demorado 

 

 

Posso concordar que o jogo parece lento no tempo sem nenhuma atualização de "grande conteúdo", mas coisas como Astrella foram trabalhadas por um tempo, muitas pessoas surgiram durante esse tipo de projeto, então tenho certeza de que isso pode criar muitos atrasos. Espero que tenhamos notícias mais cedo do que tarde 

 

Good afternoon, when it comes to inflation I'll just say the following, in other MMO's that I've played this really always happens, but the player base of other MMO's are GIGATES, the PRO's is even rubbish compared to them, and in addition to there being hundreds of ways to making money, Craft, Dungeons, Sales, Services, Grinding Bosses and the like and over time it stabilizes. It's been rubbish for a long time, almost 1 year now. In PRO we have inflation at the top and the player base at the bottom, I don't even know if the 300 people playing, sometimes they are there to talk just like in other MMOs, and I don't even need to mention the alts on farming hours or bots.

One thing is a fact that PvP nowadays is healthy to play, it's bad that new people are coming with strategies that are kind of "crappy", it doesn't make PvP fun but rather massive, I say this because I've seen Stallx Stall matches lasting 1 hour and a few minutes and this is ridiculous hahaha, but the addition of certain pokemons should always be reviewed as some additions require you to add your counter or items to help fight them, in short they added pokemon X but they didn't add Y,Z,W... Which sometimes makes pvp a bit broken. But other than that it has improved a lot and still needs to improve a lot to be truly competitive, there is still a lot of information that we need to have.

 

When I mention graphical improvement, it could be something simple like more wheather (for those who like to play with it activated), more lively NPCs, Stop making these grandiose and simply empty maps, without content, without relevant pokes to hunt or quest to do. The game needs animations even though perhaps for some people it is not necessary or bad.

The game continues with updates that are limited to Skins and cosmetics, it even seems that the intention is for us players to farm virtual skins and the owners to farm money. (although the real purpose would be more or less the same, but it could be more rewarding), as I have said several times here, updates are full of bugs, incompletes and errors... apart from the disconnects.

Regarding the translation, they could simply create a method where the players place the translation and the team does not necessarily dedicate themselves to doing it, since the PT-BR translation has been ready since 2018 (essentially). There are many points and topics that need to be mentioned, they are small details that unfortunately alienate every new player base, the game has not retained new players for YEARS, and I can prove it simply with the fact that in 2023 on xmas the game will reach 1k players on silver , and today we don't even have half of that on...

Edited 17 hours ago by Jhonvga

[Jhonvga]

2 minutes ago, Wlopes said:

Eu simplesmente concordo.

Os nomes no chat continuam girando, vemos novos jogadores o tempo todo, mas eles desistem em algumas semanas. Claro, vemos jogadores antigos como sempre, mas não parece saudável na minha opinião.

 

Este jogo é apenas sobre eventos (HLW principalmente). Eu adoro jogá-lo, mas quando estou fora de um evento é como um jogo solo.

 

Algo precisa mudar para ficar ótimo novamente.

Um comentario sensato, quem diz o contrário está vivendo em um mar de ilusão!

[Mysticwind]

I'm myself the first to say Economy is dead until Astrella and many years sadly but tbh can we hate the economy when there is 2 different type of players? When I compare the price of some players (5m start for a Blacephalon, no hate if the player read this but it is not worth)

Like I said it will need new pokemon release for the economy to comeback, even rare items (which is coming with PvP Chest update)

Guilds saying there is a style to play and abuse it is not a problem, If you check guild ladder there is only 2 active Silver guilds, other are just playing for fun or to get the potential rewards (PvP coins) specially you can easily bring a anti-stall meta and some pokemon which counter other playstyle, in case you guys dont know you will still lose to a pokemon in the meta but if you play good you can win against any players in the game, I know it's frustating to play versus a 130 ratings guy when you are around 300 but it is like this since many years even Showdown have the same issue as High ladder (1800 playing vs 1570) everyone lose motivation towards pokemon in the past 6 years.

Bosses reward is bad yes, I dont want to fight a boss for berries but a good way to make money when you have free time during the week. But when you can do BCC every day and getting a Timid Larvesta/Cutiefly which sell for a big amount of money and 25k for first place, Idt money is the biggest issue of the game right now, a lot of quests requirement is just a boss team or easy pokemon like Gengar/Beedrill mega (dungeon/many quest to unlock new things)

Edited 17 hours ago by Mysticwind

[Jhonvga]

29 minutes ago, Mysticwind said:

Eu sou o primeiro a dizer que a Economia está morta até Astrella e muitos anos, infelizmente, mas, para ser sincero, podemos odiar a economia quando há 2 tipos diferentes de jogadores? Quando comparo o preço de alguns jogadores (início de 5 milhões para um Blacephalon, sem ódio se o jogador ler isso, mas não vale a pena)

Como eu disse, será necessário o lançamento de novos pokémons para que a economia volte, até mesmo itens raros (que virão com a atualização do Baú PvP)

Guildas que dizem que há um estilo de jogo e abusam dele não são um problema. Se você verificar a escada de guildas, verá que há apenas 2 guildas Silver ativas, outras estão jogando apenas por diversão ou para obter recompensas potenciais (moedas PvP), especialmente você pode facilmente trazer um meta anti-stall e alguns pokémons que contrariam outros estilos de jogo. Caso vocês não saibam, vocês ainda perderão para um pokémon no meta, mas se vocês jogarem bem, podem vencer qualquer jogador no jogo. Eu sei que é frustrante jogar contra um cara de 130 classificações quando você tem cerca de 300, mas é assim há muitos anos, até mesmo o Showdown tem o mesmo problema que a escada alta (1800 jogando contra 1570), todos perdem a motivação em relação aos pokémons nos últimos 6 anos.

A recompensa dos chefes é ruim, sim, eu não quero lutar contra um chefe por berries, mas é uma boa maneira de ganhar dinheiro quando você tem tempo livre durante a semana. Mas quando você pode fazer BCC todos os dias e obter um Timid Larvesta/Cutiefly que vendem por uma grande quantia de dinheiro e 25k para o primeiro lugar, o dinheiro Idt é o maior problema do jogo agora, muitos requisitos de missões são apenas um time de chefes ou pokémons fáceis como Gengar/Beedrill mega (masmorra/muitas missões para desbloquear coisas novas)

Good afternoon, I really agree with you on these points, but it is inevitable to say that it is GOOD/HEALTHY to play PRO nowadays, I have already recommended the game to several people in the past, but nowadays I don't recommend it to anyone, I myself don't know if I will stop I try harder to like the game because abandoning almost 5k hours of play can be disappointing and frustrating... I even managed to get 2 shiny scythers in 31 days, but what was the effort? almost 19 hours played during the ENTIRE PERIOD to get 2 shiny scyther and 1 summer scyther the statistics also leaves something to be desired at times. But anyway, now your comment was sensible, but you can't say that the game is good! unfortunately this is the reality and if something is not done the game will die, just facts and this is happening over time and it is very sad

[Z4ngad0]

14 hours ago, Jhonvga said:

Before I start talking, I want to say that the purpose of this post is not to hate the game, but rather to point out things that urgently need attention!

I'm going to mention it in topics, the order is not from most important to least important, I just want to mention it and see if I'm just finding the PRO very weak lately!

I don't consider myself an experienced player but I have played more than 4k hours LEGITIMATELY, unlike some users of the game...

 

- Economy

Extremely heavy economy; It is impossible for a new player to achieve things in trade chat just by buying things, pokes and items and cosmetics are OVERPRICED, or completely undervalued, and honestly the way of selling items/cosmetics and pokes in game is horrible and needs to be changed urgently.

The money in the game seems to depreciate the more time passes, the more it depreciates, as does the country where I live. You need exorbitant amounts of money to do something as small as a quest, or just buy a pokemon to do pvp/pve.

And the only ways to make money in pro are Hunt (massive, painful, tiring and takes days, hours... Months!) and you can end up frustrated for not being able to do it, Boss, high coldown, mediocre rewards, it could be more rewarding to win a boss on hard and wait 14d to do it again. Trade.... I don't even need to explain it because I said it above.... Services, massively tiring and poorly paid since in game everything you're going to do needs money and everything is absurdly expensive. In other words, either you become very rich with a Shiny rare epic, or you spend your life scamming people. Although the current player base is almost 80% just veterans...

 

- PvP
Pvp in pro is all about Stall, copied teams, and people playing for other people/helping.
When looking for matches you never find someone with a skill level equal to yours, it will always be someone who is in the top 50 or a starter who is just learning, it's rare that I take advantage and play good matches, regardless of the victory! It lacks many items, it lacks many pokemons to balance the game, it could have pvp types such as OU, NU, UU, UBERS... Hud and Log need to improve a lot, I don't see any reason why hazards can't be seen in the game. screen, important information that doesn't make sense to have... Not displaying the damage suffered in % is very harmful, forcing you to use Damage Calc to be able to play, since in game the information is vague, incomplete and sometimes even wrong/bugged!
Furthermore, nothing to say, the rewards are good and very exclusive to people who do PvP.

 

- Game

The pro needs to reinvent itself, otherwise it will fall into oblivion, not only me but many other people simply FLIP out of the game due to the lack of relevant news, as well as false promises and advertisements.
Whenever there is an update, more of the same comes out or they don't comply with the announcement! This Christmas we ran out of rock ruff, why announce it? Why is a sprite in game not released to the public? That doesn't make sense!
Evo from kinganbit and ursaluna.... should come together with astrella, they announced it early and haven't released it yet.
In particular, I like the cosmetics, but no more useless skins, mounts and clothes, the PRO has stopped in time, I look at this game and I see myself in 2016, they could revamp the graphics, add some effect, I don't know, leave the game more alive and more beautiful.
There are items (I haven't checked if they are like this yet) but there are items with incomplete or incorrect descriptions!
The lack of translation in the game flops almost 50% of the player base in Brazil, it is absurd that our country has a player with great influence both in the media on YouTube and in the game, and there is no PT-BR translation, I'm not just saying for Brazil but rather one translation at least for the largest player base...
Even though I have a pretty decent computer, the game has constant disconnections, crashes and bugs that are ridiculous...

 

- Conclusion

 

The information may have become disconnected from each other, as my enthusiasm for the game is fading due to the carelessness of both the ADM and the community who seem to be trying hard to like the game the way it is! If necessary, I will make a new post with more details about different aspects of the game that need to improve for the health of the game! I played PRO for years, I was literally a child when I started playing, and seeing the game going from bad to worse over time makes me a little sad... I already queued up to be able to play during the Blue, Yellow and Red era. Today in the off season (outside of events) I already saw 300 players on! Xmas itself had some high peaks, but for short periods, the rest of the event remained at an average of 450 players and that's ridiculous. PRO is going from being fun to massive! as I affectionately called it Stall revolution Online or Hunting Simulator... anyway, see you later and I would like to know if anyone else agrees or disagrees with the points I mentioned during the topic.

A big hug to the community....

 

 

True

[Vaita]

Person #456 to say the game will die if something is not done