Pisforpenguin Posted Saturday at 04:25 AM Share Posted Saturday at 04:25 AM (edited) PRO Set Viability Tier List By Aggs, Cyanirl, Jorogumo, and Pisforpenguin Welcome to the Set Viability Tier List. This resources ranks the common sets for each of the Pokémon found currently on the VR Thread. Please note these are not the only sets each of these Pokémon may run, however this can be considered a guide for new players helping them find useful sets for certain mons. Also take in consideration that the best set for every mon will not be the best for every team, for example if you just pull the best ranked set for the 6 mons you want to play you may not end up with a functional team. You may also find yourself in places when teambuilding where you need a set that is not listed on our rankings and that is also perfectly fine, do not feel pressured to use only ranked set. We encourage feedback from the community and if you feel any important sets are missing please feel free to mention them in this thread. S Rank: S Rank Clefable Magic Guard Calm Mind: S Stealth Rock: S Unaware Calm Mind: A+ Unaware Cleric: A+ Offensive: A Kyurem SubRoost: S Choice Specs: A Landorus-T Choice Scarf: S Defensive Stealth Rock: S Offensive Stealth Rock: S Dual Dance: A Focus Sash: A A Rank: A+ Rank Aegislash Offensive: A+ Sub Toxic: A Swords Dance: A- Lopunny-Mega Offensive: A+ Mawile-Mega Swords Dance: A+ All-Out Attacker: A SubPunch: B+ Serperior Substitute: A+ Utility: A+ Choice Scarf: A- Screens: B+ Tornadus-T Assault Vest: A+ Z-move: A+ Rocky Helmet: A Offensive: A- A Rank Bisharp Eviolite: A Black Glasses: B+ Pursuit: B+ Diancie-Mega All-Out Attacker: A Substitute Endeavor: B+ Dragonite Flynium Z Dragon Dance: A Choice Band: B+ Ferrothorn Utility: A Garchomp Offensive: A Offensive Stealth Rock: A Physically Defensive: A Choice Scarf: B+ Heatran Offensive Z-Move: A Specially Defensive: A Choice Scarf: B+ Keldeo Choice Specs: A Choice Scarf: A- Calm Mind: B+ Metagross-Mega All-Out Attacker: A Offensive Stealth Rock: A- Rock Polish: B+ Tangrowth Physically Defensive: A Specially Defensive: A Zapdos Physically Defensive: A Offensive: B+ Specially Defensive: B+ A- Rank Alakazam-Mega Offensive: A- Annihilape Bulk Up: A- Choice Scarf: B Azumarill Assault Vest: A- Choice Band: A- Z-Belly Drum: B+ Perish Trapper: B- Charizard-Mega-Y Offensive: A- Excadrill Sand Rush Z-Move: A- Focus Sash: B+ Choice Scarf: B Specially Defensive: B Gliscor Stallbreaker: A- Utility: B Hoopa-U Choice Band: A- Choice Specs: B+ Nasty Plot: B+ Assault Vest: B Choice Scarf: B Kyurem-B Icium Z: A- Choice Scarf: B Choice Band: B- Offensive: B- Manaphy Waterium Z Tail Glow: A- Rain Dance: B+ Medicham-Mega Offensive: A- Ninetales-Alola Aurora Veil: A- Rotom-Wash Physically Defensive: A- Offensive: B Scizor-Mega Defensive: A- Offensive: B+ Defog: B Slowking Specially Defensive: A- Thundurus Offensive: A- Utility: B+ Victini Choice Band: A- Choice Scarf: A- Z-Celebrate: B+ Volcarona Offensive: A- Swarm: A- Defensive: B B Rank: B+ Rank Amoonguss Defensive: B+ Assault Vest: B- Blacephalon Choice Scarf: B+ Choice Specs: B Calm Mind: B- Chansey Utility: B+ Charizard-Mega-X Offensive: B+ Defensive: B Greninja Choice Scarf: B+ Z-Move: B+ Jirachi Choice Scarf: B+ Specially Defensive: B Z-Happy Hour: B- Kommo-o Kommonium Z: B+ Belly Drum: B Specially Defensive: B Dragon Dance: B- Latias Offensive: B+ Choice Scarf: B Latias-Mega Utility: B+ Calm Mind: B Latios Choice Scarf: B+ Choice Specs: B+ Soul Dew: B+ Magnezone Choice Scarf: B+ Choice Specs: B+ Z-Move: B- Pelipper Defensive: B+ Choice Scarf: B Choice Specs: B Sableye-Mega Utility: B+ Calm Mind: B- Slowbro Utility: B+ Calm Mind: B Swampert-Mega Offensive: B+ Offensive Stealth Rock: B+ Tyranitar Choice Band: B+ Assault Vest: B Choice Scarf: B Utility: B- Weavile Choice Band: B+ B Rank Alomomola Defensive: B Gyarados-Mega Offensive: B Hippowdon Defensive: B Hydreigon Choice Scarf: B Choice Specs: B Offensive: B Latios-Mega Offensive: B Mew Stallbreaker: B Utility: B- Offensive: C+ Skarmory Physically Defensive: B Suicune Substitute Calm Mind: B Defensive: B- Thundurus-T Agility: B Nasty Plot: B Dual Dance: B- Tyranitar-Mega Offensive: B Utility: B- Venusaur-Mega Defensive: B Offensive: B- Volcanion Choice Specs: B Defensive Utility: B Choice Scarf: B- B- Rank Altaria-Mega Physically Defensive: B- Physically Offensive: C+ Utility: C+ Specially Offensive: C Breloom Offensive: B- Poison Heal: C Crawdaunt Choice Band: B- Offensive: C Gastrodon Specially Defensive: B- Heracross-Mega Offensive: B- Kingdra Choice Specs: B- Porygon-Z Offensive: B- Pinsir-Mega Offensive: B- Reuniclus Calm Mind: B- Dual Dance: C Trick Room: C Ribombee Sticky Web: B- C Rank: C+ Rank Alakazam Focus Sash: C+ Offensive: C Diggersby Offensive: C+ Choice Band: C Choice Scarf: C Ditto Choice Scarf: C+ Gallade-Mega Offensive: C+ Bulk Up: C Mamowsine Offensive: C+ Choice Band: C Focus Sash Lead: C- Manectric-Mega Offensive: C+ Quagsire Physically Defensive Unaware: C+ Scizor Choice Band: C+ Offensive: C Togekiss Nasty Plot Stallbreaker: C+ Choice Scarf: C- C Rank Cloyster Shell Smash: C Conkeldurr Guts: C Assault Vest: C- Sheer Force: C- Cresselia Trick Room: C Utility: C- Gardevoir-Mega Offensive: C Gyarados Flynium Z: C Hawlucha Offensive: C Marowak-Alola Offensive: C Mimikyu Offensive: C Slowbro-Mega Calm Mind: C Physically Defensive: C Torkoal Physically Defensive: C Venusaur Offensive: C C- Rank Aerodactyl-Mega Offensive: C- Pursuit: C- Azelf Focus Sash: C- Blissey Calm Mind: C- Defensive: C- Cofagrigus Physically Defensive: C- Trick Room: C- Garchomp-Mega All-Out Attacker: C- Swords Dance: C- Infernape Focus Sash: C- Jellicent Physically Defensive: C- Klefki Screens: C- Specially Defensive: C- Mantine Defensive: C- Muk-Alola Assault Vest: C- Nidoking Offensive: C- Pidgeot-Mega Offensive: C- Stallbreaker: C- Porygon2 Defensive: C- Trick Room: C- Seismitoad Defensive: C- Starmie Offensive: C- Defensive: C- Tentacruel Defensive: C- Uxie Trick Room: C- Edited Sunday at 05:57 AM by Pisforpenguin 6 https://prnt.sc/jpyd5f Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/250191-pvp-set-viability-rankings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorogumo Posted Saturday at 04:25 AM Share Posted Saturday at 04:25 AM Reserved. Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/250191-pvp-set-viability-rankings/#findComment-1519723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted Saturday at 01:40 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:40 PM I'm not sure about the usefulness of this topic in its current form. Like, it is for sure useful in some way, but I wonder if the effort was worth it if is stays like this. Especially since you mention new players as a audience. I currently see it as a tier list where PvP affine people can philosophize with each other about which set may be a tiny better than a other. This may sound harsher than it is meant to be, I just want to sctrictly point that out because you also have nowhere mentioned that this topic is not finished/in work and I personally am worried about the future of this topic in the way it is right now. I try to show why I see it this way. Do you like my S tier Magic Guard Calm Mind set? Spoiler Clefable @ Leftovers Ability: Magic Guard EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Calm Mind - Moonblast - Ice Beam - Flamethrower For a beginner, most of the set details are not clear. The explanations are missing. The sets are not usefull if not build in the right surroundings, you mention that. But how do I know the right build for my Pokémon? If this is something every newbie should answer for themself, then the topic is needless in begin with. They would (have to) come to conclusions on their own anyway. Perhaps someone could argue the same way at the viability list, but I think that one is at least more 'general' and can be excused in this way. I'd wish for set details with examples like in the Smogon dex. Maybe also a hint for the nature of the Pokémon, like "Bold prefered" or "Common natures: Bold" Spoiler In this way you know at least which exact sets are meant, and have a more fundemental base to think about what the weaknesses of this set/s may be and why you'd prefer move A over move B in the same All-out Attacker set. ---------------- I think the most common set in PRO is: Diancie-Mega @ Diancite Ability: Magic Bounce - Protect - Stealth Rock - Diamond Storm - Moonblast and should be added. I think you mean a different set with 'All out', do you? 2 Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/250191-pvp-set-viability-rankings/#findComment-1519833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorogumo Posted Saturday at 02:14 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:14 PM 14 minutes ago, Bash said: I'd wish for set details with examples like in the Smogon dex. Maybe also a hint for the nature of the Pokémon, like "Bold prefered" or "Common natures: Bold" Thank you for the suggestions, Bash. Your feedback is appreciated. This thread is in its final form, but we will discuss adding missing sets like the Mega Diancie one you mention or Stealth Rock Mega Metagross. We may need to rename some of the sets to clarify what we mean and avoid any potential confusion. I will just add that usage does not necessarily dictate viability; the most used sets may not automatically be deemed the most viable ones, so we reserve the right to rank all options accordingly while remaining open to changes and additions posted by players in this very thread. We wanted to get the viability rankings and set viability rankings out first as indicative resources while we continue working on the rest. One of the projects would be a detailed list of sets including Abilities, Natures, items, moves, and EV spreads in alignment with what you propose. However, that one would understandably take time and would also link back to this one. Ideally, clicking on each recommended set would take the user to the corresponding set details, but that may not be possible, and we may need to settle for a direct link to the other thread instead. Set explanations would take even longer and are not currently being considered because the time investment would not be worth their limited utility. Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/250191-pvp-set-viability-rankings/#findComment-1519839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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