Party WQ System

[Marouflard]

3 minutes ago, Qeight said:

The change we have done today, will also make it possible to reach the top-cut solo. So the event can be completed solo for very dedicated players. 

 

Hum...
A solo player would never be able to qualify (and anyway, it's impossible according to the rules).
After 12 hours of farming, an account can indeed reach 10k (and even then, only by doing that hardly). It would therefore enter the leaderboard.
Following your theory, a team of two accounts of this caliber would therefore earn 20k.
Except that they would be on the leaderboard, of course, but would not be able to qualify....

 

Currently, teams of two and three are useless.

[Qeight]

46 minutes ago, Marouflard said:

Hum...
A solo player would never be able to qualify (and anyway, it's impossible according to the rules).
After 12 hours of farming, an account can indeed reach 10k (and even then, only by doing that hardly). It would therefore enter the leaderboard.

On 10/6/2018 at 10:05 AM, Eaty said:

- You are allowed to have your own alternative accounts in your own party, as long as you keep it to the one party limit.

I do not understand these ragebait replies. Yes you can do it solo, have your own alternative account in your party and reach the party limit of at least 2. You can do it solo with average case scenario that I mentioned prior within less than 10 hours. 
They can reach somewhat around 12500 score solo with an average case scenario. 

 

These are obviously just probabilities, you can do it in less hours or not get it within the hours but the possibility is there within the "average case scenario". 

Edit: Yes you are right, the NPC rules ingame forbid you from starting it solo but you can do it "technically" as a solo player. I should have been more clear on this. 

[Marouflard]

31 minutes ago, Qeight said:

I do not understand these ragebait replies. Yes you can do it solo, have your own alternative account in your party and reach the party limit of at least 2. You can do it solo with average case scenario that I mentioned prior within less than 10 hours. 
They can reach somewhat around 12500 score solo with an average case scenario. 

 

These are obviously just probabilities, you can do it in less hours or not get it within the hours but the possibility is there within the "average case scenario". 

Edit: Yes you are right, the NPC rules ingame forbid you from starting it solo but you can do it "technically" as a solo player. I should have been more clear on this. 

 

Um... it wasn't ragebait at all, I don't know what could have caused that feedback. 
I was just responding that it seemed more than difficult to qualify for a single player (even with multiple accounts) or two players. 

 

Regarding the scores you mention, 12 500 IVs per account "on average" is practically impossible (and certainly not "average"). Based on the averages we've observed over several weeks, going to the most optimal farming areas, we're are at about 10 rares per hour. With an average of 95 IVs per Pokémon, that's 950 IVs per hour. Knowing that you'll be farming for about 11+ hours out of 12 (the time it takes to submit your Pokémon, go to the bathroom, deal with life's little surprises, etc.), you'll reach 10,500 IVs per account. Depending on the RNG, you can indeed do much more, but talking about averages at these levels seems excessive to me.

 

Getting back to the overall format of the event (12 hours, farming from Monday to Friday, etc.), are there any discussions underway among the staff? I saw that you found the idea of farming from Saturday to Friday (by blocking the teams that qualified the week before) interesting. Are there any discussions underway on this?
That was the reason for my initial comment, not to revisit the ego war I saw in previous posts.

Once again, I like competition between teams, and I think it's important to encourage improvement based on the best feedback!

[Qeight]

1 hour ago, Marouflard said:

 

Um... it wasn't ragebait at all, I don't know what could have caused that feedback. 
I was just responding that it seemed more than difficult to qualify for a single player (even with multiple accounts) or two players. 

 

Regarding the scores you mention, 12 500 IVs per account "on average" is practically impossible (and certainly not "average"). Based on the averages we've observed over several weeks, going to the most optimal farming areas, we're are at about 10 rares per hour. With an average of 95 IVs per Pokémon, that's 950 IVs per hour. Knowing that you'll be farming for about 11+ hours out of 12 (the time it takes to submit your Pokémon, go to the bathroom, deal with life's little surprises, etc.), you'll reach 10,500 IVs per account. Depending on the RNG, you can indeed do much more, but talking about averages at these levels seems excessive to me.

 

Getting back to the overall format of the event (12 hours, farming from Monday to Friday, etc.), are there any discussions underway among the staff? I saw that you found the idea of farming from Saturday to Friday (by blocking the teams that qualified the week before) interesting. Are there any discussions underway on this?
That was the reason for my initial comment, not to revisit the ego war I saw in previous posts.

Once again, I like competition between teams, and I think it's important to encourage improvement based on the best feedback!

In my average calculation I used 100 IVs - but I can gladly use the 96 it would be based on ((31+1)/2)*6=96.

There are obviously difference in between certain maps based on rarity, some maps will be better. I will take the better maps and take their average case scenario for rares per hour. In this case the lower end would be 9, the higher end would be 12. So 10.5 on average. 
The encounters used are 300 per hour, you could do 6 per minute-so 360 per hour but to give some error/catching time). 

10,5/rares per h * 96/average IV =1008/ average IVs per hour

 

A 10.000 score - which makes a user eligable to be considered for ladder: 10000 score ÷ 1008 ≈ 9.92 hours or 9 h 55 min. 
The highest average score: 1008 score × 12 hours = 12096 total score

My initial comment was about the possibility and there were complaints prior why we did not force parties of four if the event can not be achieved in less than 4 partymembers. My coment is not to show you, that someone can do it - I am saying that there is a chance and it can be achieved. I do not think someone will achieve this but the possibility is there. This is a group content and best to be played in groups. If someone think this is stupid and what not, so be it. 

The ragebait was comment in regards to the rules you mentioned. Yes you can not start it "solo" but as a person with two accounts you can still technically participate solo. 

 

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As for if staff will discuss your ideas - it was mostly me pushing the changes with AlCedo together, we privately talked about these changes and went through different scenarios before we approached Eaty with it. 

What we discuss and what we do not discuss, I will not mention here but once again - staff will not engage in discussions that start of with disrespectful behavior (we all know how it was meant) and seeing all the little digs here and there, on different discords and everything. Players want transparency, players want that we talk to them and the second we say something they do not like (e.g. my comment about that not every content is for everyone), they will get upset. In my previous comments, I said and displayed our intentions behind the content, why we did what we did and what our reasons were. 

This post and all the comments prior and after show us exactly why especially the content staffs in our game will not partake in these discussions. I am gladly talking to anyone who wants it but don't take me trying to be transparent as me being some form of punching bag for your frustration with XYZ. I am open to discussions and if you think this was an "Ego-war" then so be it. My comments were merely displaying what hapened, I might have used some hyperbolic statements when expressing myself, that is one me. I will try to be very clear next time - so let me make this very clear for next time. We will not tolerate any disrespectful behavior in any form towards any of our staff members. If you conduct yourself in a way you want to be spoken to then we should have no problem. 

I am talking general and not specific to anyone user. I will also lock this thread now because there is nothing further to add. The suggestions were forwarded to the right people within staff for discussion. Everything after this is just back and forth for no reason. 

Best wishes.