[Red Server] Current situation between big guilds

[Chaosshop]

Hello fellow PRO players, I want and have to make a statement today. There are many sad things that happened for quite awhile. It's about the whole situation in PRO. People use the whole guild system to fight and insult each other, which only creates hate from all sides. This is no one-way street and we all contributed our part to this. So I want to clear some things and state my opinion on this.

First of all, I want to apologize - especially to @Deidara7 - for the things that happened and were being said from our guild, when I (Walrosskastanie) was banned. We handled it poorly and were way too impulsive. There were just too many things that happened in an instant and many members were already sad and confused, that you left the guild, so it exploded. You know, that we like you and your guild won't change anything.

Secondly, I am really disappointed about the whole situation between guilds, especially between the big guilds in red. We never had the best relation in general, but we also never insulted and fought each other publicy. I am not saying, that we have to be friends, but I am sure, we can coexist without building an environment of hate. It makes no fun to play at the moment and I am sure, that I am not the only one that feels like that. As I already said, this is no one-way street, Reborn also made many mistakes, but the past doesn't define us.

I tried to invite different guilds to different events, but many guilds didn't want to participate, 'cause of the current situation. I also invited small guilds, but they didn't want to get pulled into the whole drama. I was even told that one of the big guilds didn't join our guild war event, 'cause they thought, we just wanted to get their team informations. This made me really sad and I hope, we can get rid of this mentality.

This is a problem we all need to work on and I would happily try it, if you are also ready for that. @Chronos @Blaze

Thirdly, I was really shocked, how many people pmed me, when I was banned, just to insult and make fun of me and Reborn. I also saw many screenshots, where partially whole guilds celebrated it.

After I was unbanned, there were rumours, that I didn't show my whole appeal to deceive my members and that I just pretend to be a nice guy. I actually asked to show my whole appeal in this thread, but I am not allowed to, but if you really think that way, then feel free to pm me in discord and I send you the whole appeal. I personally don't really care about it, but I don't want any open questions, that might cause misunderstandings and trust issues.

And lastly, there are some people that call Reborn a staff hating toxic guild. It's true that there were some issues between some Reborn and staff members, but we definitely don't hate staff members. We are really grateful for the work you guys put into PRO and even outside PRO to ensure a better atmosphere. Reborn is absolutely fine with 99 % of all staff members and just 'cause some of our members have a problem with the remaining 1 %, doesn't mean we hate staff members or try to harm anyone.

 

Also, I really want a change in PRO, so help me with that. But that's only possible, if you really want it, otherwise we just waste our time, so think and talk about it with your members, before you do anything.

[Shamac]

Thank you for the honest vent. I do agree the competition broke some limits, it has become more of a hate competition and trying to bring people down as much as possible instead of a friendly competition, I do understand that rivalry is good because it brings love for the respective crews and pride with it, and if things are in such an aggressive stage, it’s because it went too far.

Good competition only brings improvement and I think PRO players and especially the ones in referred here can manage it.

Towards the appeal situation, I am here to say that he indeed requested to show it, but due to our rules I said to not do it, which he understood, and we appreciate the collaboration.

I would like to request to not create rumors about it, much things were said about it and from what I heard it was either wrong or extremely incomplete. By all means, nobody can be perfect, but I would like to request the community to not raise false statements.

 

Anyhow, I wish you best of luck to you, your guild and to everyone else. Whenever the community needs the staff is here.

[Prehax]

The same thing applies for yellow and from what I have heard as well on blue; not to that extend since we don't know each other for that long and some of the "larger" guilds don't even exist for that long but in general the Guilds on yellow are rather split and hate is spread everywhere duo to various leaders but also the rivalry is a big part and who gets the first spot on the ladder.

[Ostrago]

All this guild talk and some of us non-hardcore-pvpers cant even find a guild. :Frown: I ran a guild / linkshell on FFXI for 7yrs. I can't count how many times we had full fallouts, important staff banned / unbanned, and in general drammaaa. It takes a lot of time and devotion. Mad props to those of you that are running pokemon guilds and creating events while dealing with the current system. [mention]RebornShop[/mention] It is obvious you care, and sometimes guilds / leaders / members need to go through what is currently happening to spark change for the better. I have faith in the pokemon staff to improve the current guild system and ultimately make competition more friendly etc. :y:

[Irafayel]

But what would we do without the drama?! Even ayman has seemingly calmed down!

 

The real drama will start when guild ladder first place gets a worthy reward :3

 

On a serious note though, i do agree and i think we need to put our differences aside. The number of players isnt what it used to be, we really cant afford to be fighting amongst those who are left...

[Fadoka]

Well Walros , your honesty is really appreciated in that. Guilds atmosphere needs to calm down a bit more than it was lately and especially last month. It's preferred as a friendly competition than a fight. And like I always said , it's a game that we all play together so there is no need to make it go beyond it's limits. When you speak "Reborn" you speak a huge guild name. It has to be a representative for other small guilds and by what you're writing it's really great in insuring that. I'm glad to see this being discussed in public as well. I'd say past is history and the future would be better this way. #Wearecool

[Chaosshop]

But what would we do without the drama?! Even ayman has seemingly calmed down!

 

The real drama will start when guild ladder first place gets a worthy reward :3

 

On a serious note though, i do agree and i think we need to put our differences aside. The number of players isnt what it used to be, we really cant afford to be fighting amongst those who are left...

 

 

Well Walros , your honesty is really appreciated in that. Guilds atmosphere needs to calm down a bit more than it was lately and especially last month. It's preferred as a friendly competition than a fight. And like I always said , it's a game that we all play together so there is no need to make it go beyond it's limits. When you speak "Reborn" you speak a huge guild name. It has to be a representative for other small guilds and by what you're writing it's really great in insuring that. I'm glad to see this being discussed in public as well. I'd say past is history and the future would be better this way. #Wearecool

 

Yes, I also think that we should let the past be history, but I don't think, that this will be an easy task. I hope that our guilds can interact more friendly in the future and maybe organize events or something, so we can take down is stupid wall, that just poisons the whole community. That's nothing that has to be done right now, but I hope, that we can do it in a tempo that's agreeable for everyone. I also don't think that we all can be friends, there are always people that don't like each other, but I am sure, we can build a better environment, where we can at least talk normally with each other.

[Jeremco]

Good project, but imo for it to works you first should tell your members to stop to mock/bully other people from other guilds .

Because one day or the other, everything goes out . If you want to get rid of that bad atmosphere along the guilds, u should first take care of your private discord and the way your members talks about other people in it ( by " you " I mean every guild leaders from the top guild who might allow that on their discord ). Also, when they does so you should punish them , instead to also laught / dont react and let them does it. Its your responsabilitie to do so. From the time the guild admins dont punished the members/tell them to not do it, it's like if they approve it.

 

Do not think that because the person you mock aint on the same server as you, that he wont be aware of the trashtalk toward him.

So before to be able to change the things and make the peace with other guilds, first be sure your own members stop to act like hypocrite and talk in the back of other people, after that will be done, then maybe and only maybe your intend will be possible to reach.

Its good to come with good intend and all, at the eyes of the public here, but if the next days some of your members do that again and use of a discord they think "safe" to trashtalk on other people and that come to the ears of thoses , it just gonna ruin it all.

Still, Good luck with your project, but it not gonna works if the first auction isnt taken by the guild leaders themself, by banning the trashtalks against other guilds from their private discord at first.

[Pulsee]

Stay bald and positive, gg.

[9oomy]

I hope everyones looking forward to what the Art team will be bringing to this PVP season. <3