Badhaxery

Except I did say Regenarator also needs to be looked at (page 12): They both cause problems in the meta, but Shadow Tag is far more game breaking. If anything will be banned, it should go first.

So. Much. This. No, not so much of that. You both will have to learn how you can deal with Shadow Tag Pokémon. It's not the Shadow Tag's fault you fail to do so. It's Shadow Tag's fault it prevents switches though. No easier way of getting guaranteed KOs. Can it be dealt with? Yes. No one said it can't be. Is it overpowered? Yes. I'd say turning a 6v6 battle into 1v1 on a whim is a ridiculous ability.

So. Much. This.

Try read the whole post from page 1 because i dont want to explain the same thing all over again You didn't raise compelling arguments though. Yes, killing Gothitelle is possible. But it's still a solid checkmate to about half the metagame. It is overpowered.

How often? sorry to say this but it seems you really have no idea about whats going on in PRO ranking PvP. Could you tell me why I have no idea? Or do you have zero arguments about Gothitelle being OP?

Do u even tried to hunt a extremely rare h.a. pokemon? Not to mention nature/ivs. Do u really think this poke will be in everyones pvp team soon? How many battles do u do and how many gothitelles u face here in pro-pvp? Every 2nd game? Oh u can solve the stall problem pretty easy. Just ban Regenerator and blissey. Problem solved. Stall teams should be still be the best way to win in this meta, but at least u dont have to face NaturalCure/Regenerater to stall opponents PPs anymore. (Doesnt mean i want them to be banned!) No ban pokes here. :Angel: Well and there are ways to deal with gothitelle and if 90% of players use her shouldnt be that hard to have a gothitelle too or a team which completly counters her. Like its now for blissey/stall comps. Wether u have a blissey/stall comp too or a team which somehow completly counters blissey/stall comps. I feel like we are going in circle here. xd Just get that items in and make a few more moves/abilities work which are useful in pvp. Yes, I have. How rare it is now is irrelevant. It is overpowered and therefore it must be banned. The complaints mean that it's rising in usage, too. Yes, more items and abilities will make the game better. Letting an overpowered Pokemon stomp on others will not.

Gothitelle solved the stall problem thats the fact for now, and the staff can simply fix this stall problem by adding more PvP core items. PRO always been stall meta from the 1st day i start playing it, but now it even worse since REGENERATOR works make stall team even stronger since slowbro can be a very strong pivot without any real counter. I have no problem with stall team since they can be countered, but not for REGENERATOR SLOWBRO because we dont have enough power and working move to put it down easily like in POKEMON SHOWDOWN. And Gothitelle are the answer for it trap Slowbro so he cant abused REGENERATOR anymore. And base on my own experience in PvP, when slowbro down most of the stall team cant do much anymore, and the game will end soon, which is proof how OP REGENERATOR in PRO. have you really tried PvP in Pro? Knock Off and Toxic cripples Slowbro almost to the point of irrelevance. Maybe you shouldn't be trying to OHKO/2HKO it? You can't really argue about team support either because you said yourself you could take care of them, yes? Gothitelle being a solid check to Slowbro doesn't make it any less OP. It checks pretty much every non-offensive Pokemon. Yes, I have tried PvP.

The problem with this is is that offensive teams are viable even in a metagame full of stall. You can still use any playstyle, provided you have a game plan for stallers. In a metagame full of Shadow Tag Gothitelles, however, no team is viable except for offense. Any balanced/defensive Pokemon you use will be trapped and killed. Our current meta is unhealthy, yes, but I'm pretty sure a meta with only one viable playstyle is much more unhealthy. there are still many ways u can build not full offensive team, uses baton pass, u-turn, Volt Switch, Whirlwind, roar, taunt, haze and etc So you're pretty much conceding that any non-offensive Pokemon without those moves are screwed? So much for a healthy meta. Shadow Tag Gothitelle won't really discourage the use of stall either because it can fit right into stall teams.

To quote myself from a different thread on why Shadow Tag Gothitelle must be banned:

I couldn't agree with you more friend. You should post that here: https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=33054 I will :)

The problem with this is is that offensive teams are viable even in a metagame full of stall. You can still use any playstyle, provided you have a game plan for stallers. In a metagame full of Shadow Tag Gothitelles, however, no team is viable except for offense. Any balanced/defensive Pokemon you use will be trapped and killed. Our current meta is unhealthy, yes, but I'm pretty sure a meta with only one viable playstyle is much more unhealthy.

For all your talk about wanting the metagame to be healthier, you want another OP vs OP scenario? Gothitelle being on every team makes pretty much everything that isn't offensively oriented unviable. Bring out a balanced Pokemon or a pivot, and it gets trapped then killed. Stall is a problem, yes. But Gothitelle is too. It doesn't look like the problem with stall will be solved anytime soon, but the problem with Gothitelle can be.

I agree that the metagame isn't healthy. Gothitelle being the only reason people will avoid stall, though is downright wrong. Gothitelle is basically a counter to any non-offensive Pokemon. It wrecks stall and balance teams pretty much single handedly. No other Pokemon can do that to any playstyle. Stall is a problem, yes, but it has solutions. Once Gothitelle switches on you, you basically have zero options but to watch it Calm Mind and die. One is annoying to deal with and the other is clearly overpowered. The staff ubers got banned on the grounds of being overpowered. Why not Shadow Tag Gothitelle?

So uh, you think every team packing a Shadow Tag Gothitelle will be healthy? Saying Gothitelle is OP so get Gothitelle is like saying Stall is OP so just stall. It's counterproductive lol.

It boils down to this: You need to build a team around Slowbro to abuse him. That basically means stall is the problem. Not Slowbro. There are also viable counters, many of which have already been mentioned. Shadow Tag Gothitelle, on the other hand, doesn't need anything else but itself to be effective. You can put it in any team and it will pull its weight. It cannot be countered in a sense that it will not switch in into something that can beat it. And when it does switch into something it can beat, it's basically dead courtesy of Shadow Tag. If that isn't enough, you're likely going to face a +6 SpA + 6 SpD Gothitelle afterwards. You can try to revenge kill it, but unlike its opponents, it has the luxury of switching. Shadow tag as an ability must be banned. The need is less pronounced with Wobuffet because Encore isn't working and everything is packing Status moves or Setup moves. It turns battles into 1v1's. For all the talk about skill, there's more skill involved in pivoting around with Regenerator than there is switching into something you can beat and erasing it.

I think Spore should be banned until Sleep Clause is implemented. If you happen to not have a Grass Type or something that is unaffected, you're pretty much screwed. Exactly one move slot and one Pokemon slot required to wreak havoc. Gothitelle with Shadow Tag should also be banned. It's essentially a walking +6 Spatk +6 Spdef nightmare. While it can be killed even then, there's no way to stop it. It can come in anytime to erase a specific threat to clear the way for a sweep, and I say erase because it's downright impossible to kill it decides to switch in on you. It's also a perfect revenge killer in that it can revenge kill pretty much anything. I agree that Regenerator should at least be considered for a ban. By itself, it's a great ability that makes using Tangrowth viable, makes Slowbro even stronger, and makes Amoonguss hands down the best Grass type wall in the game. As pointed out by other players, however, it's very easily exploitable. On one hand, one or a combination of them as your defensive core along with cleric support can be a serious chore to take down, even in a world with Pursuit, Life Orb, and Choice Items. On the other, some common stall breakers and set up sweepers can make life very difficult for them. Excadrill can set up on nearly any cleric, Togekiss can Nasty Plot + Paraflinch, Scizor can't be poisoned and can set up, Taunt users can whittle them down as they switch, etc. Unlike Spore and Shadow Tag Gothitelle which are broken by themselves, you have to build around Regenerator using precious team slots and it's only really a problem if used in stall.

I personally bought a high level pokemon. You can get a decent one for around 30k. Then you can resell it after. Things get a lot easier after that point though. You can grind to like 80 very easily outside Cianwood.

The Kanto restriction is there to stop abuse from alt accounts. For example, you can get unlimited rare candies by trading the one in Viridian with new alts. I personally don't like starting over, so the no badge requirement for new regions work for me.

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As far as I've heard, have at least 100 pokemon owned. ...then talk to one of the professors in the first room.

Oh wow, yeah, it worked. I was too caught up with the idea that Pokemon had to level to evolve lol. Kinda new at this. Thanks man!

PRO Username: Badhaxery Have you looked at the FAQ to solve your issue?: Yes On which server issue happened: BLUE What have you done before the problem was there? So I know that the evolving condition for Mamoswine is to level up Piloswine while it has Ancient Power learned. I leveled a Piloswine to 99 and taught it Ancient Power. I used a Rare Candy to level it to 100 and hopefully evolve it, but I wasn't prompted. I did a search and I learned that it had to have leveled in a battle. That kinda sucks because I satisfied the evolution conditions, and I'm not sure if this way of evolution was intended. Would it be possible to revert it back to 99? That way it won't be completely useless. Thank you. What have you already tried to solve the problem? Tried contacting online mods but there weren't any. Description and Message