Ash-greninja

[Anurag2006]

Hello, fellow players.

Lets talk about ash-greninja (please give your opinion only)

1. Do you guys think it will be made available to players or not?

2. If yes, should it be given legendary title? E.i. quest and rerollable

3. Or do you guys just want your regular greninja to transform into ash-greninja

[Scorpionsrl]

1: yes

2: no

3: nah

[Jorogumo]

No, it should not be made available yet. In fact, it would almost certainly need to be instantly banned. It was already borderline in USUM OU, which had extra defensive and offensive countermeasures to it, such as Toxapex, Tapu Fini, Tapu Bulu, Magearna, Tapu Koko, Choice Scarf Kartana, Mega Alakazam, Mega Lopunny, etc. In PRO, counterplay would be limited to Ferrothorn, Gastrodon, Chansey, Assault Vest Tangrowth, Alomomola, and maybe Mega Venusaur. However, Ash-Greninja can beat those Pokémon in the long haul (with an untimely flinch or a timely double switch, by slowly laying down Spikes for itself and its teammates, through sheer attrition, etc.), can form unhealthy, potent cores with another teammate, and is hard to differentiate from its Protean counterpart, which can also be male and is already extremely good. In fact, the coexistence of Protean Greninja and Battle Bond Greninja is unhealthy in itself, as a miscalculation (expecting one instead of the other) can prove to be costly. We all know that Protean Greninja can tailor its set according to its team's needs, allowing it to run coverage options that can hit most, if not all, of Ash-Greninja's (limited) existing defensive countermeasures. The borderline state of Protean Greninja in PRO is currently worth discussing. This is also assuming that you do not let Battle Bond Greninja get a kill; if you do, you will be looking at a 399-speed offensive behemoth with a strong priority move, which limits any offensive counterplay (not that I consider revenge killing or Pursuit trapping Protean Greninja with priority moves or something faster, like Weavile, or anything able to stomach its hits to be healthy anyway). If anything should be given a fair shot soon, it should be Keldeo. If we cannot handle Keldeo, we definitely cannot put up with Ash-Greninja. And no, Toxapex alone would not be enough to justify allowing Ash-Greninja to roam freely. Unhealthy overcentralization is not acceptable. However, Pest Pex would definitely hurt Keldeo's viability before it even gets released, which is why I hope to see it soon, at least before Pex sits on half of the meta.

[Nextge]

I would say...

 

yes

no

no, i want a separate one