Public Test: Exp. Rework

[Veldrin]

All Jhoto:

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violet before/after:

azalea before/after:

goldenrod before/after:

ecruteak before/after:

cianwood before/after:

 

olivine before (unluckly i overwrote the print of the after, i'm sorry):

 

 

mahogany before/after:

 

blackthorn before/after:

 

E4 before/after:

 

 

 

 

 

Jhoto seems more easy then kanto, even because knowing the exp problem i don't use soo much exp. share(stop from lvl 30-40 more or less) so Feraligator can level up easy and face up to the story, i never need to exp in wild until last gym and it was really good.

probably jhoto is easiest even because the trainer npc are more balanced and don't exceed the team level

 

conclusion:

i take a little time from first try of e4 and the end for better understand the new sistem and also for fail some boss  .

Even using fast poke the exp after level 50 take really long time, thinking to do poke lvl 100 just by exp it is impossible, probably this is soo like the official game but in the game you usually never need poke lvl 100 and in the last game most of the last lvl (even all)are made by candy or similar, in PRO the game is balanced for lvl 100 poke, even the pvp, and changing in it will damage a lot the new player if the all game don't change with it.

 

i'll not try hoenn becouse i know that will be soo hard, in the story lot of trainer npc are high level, and a lot of this don't even give you exp. The deoxis part is not soo easy yet in the standard, doing it with this low exp system will be soo frustrating.

 

thanks for this test, hope it help bye ^_^

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jpasrv]

before fortree gym^^

after fortree gym^^

[Jpasrv]

before mossesdep gym^^

after mossesdep gym ^^

[Klikto]

Kanto

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Gym 1

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Gym 2

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Gym 3

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Gym 4

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Gym 5

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Gym 6

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Gym 7

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Gym 8

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Elite 4

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Johto

{tbd}

Hoenn

{tbd}

Sinoh

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Recap

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Overal, imho i think that the changes are great. I felt like leveling was slower from levels 1-15 than on normal server. From levels 15-40, it felt really fast and smooth to level pokes, trainers had same level pokemon as me. Then it changed after level 40+. I started to get overleveled by trainers by even 10 levels on some occasions. XP gain was super lof as well for some reason. Level 40 Gyarados got 1/10 level bar from enemies 10 levels higher than him. Leveling for E4 was painfull as well. Much slower than in normal servers. More {tbd}

(Also, i play on Gold server)

(Also also, did you know that animating the experience bar backwards makes no sense?)

Edited September 25, 2022 by Klikto

[Odur27]

Kanto:
 

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Before Pewter Gym: 


After Pewter Gym:


Before Route 3 no wild poke killed:

 

After Route 3: No Wild Poke Killed


Cerulean: Looks like I forgot to capture post-gym data

Before SS Anne:

After SS Anne: 

Stuck on Surge and won't be able to finish before time expires.
 

Overall observation:
I am a player who's got about 20 days total under my belt since starting to play PRO and the last Pokemon game I played was Pokemon Yellow over a decade ago. The EXP per win on test feels slow, and it would take me another 3 or so days of 6-8 hours a day to beat Kanto region. I am very slow as I'm still very new to this so that has a major impact on how fast I can get through things. Sorry I was unable to beat the region for test data and forgot to get the post cerulean gym screen shot.
 

[Jpasrv]

before sootopolis gym --

swampert=lvl85,geodude=lvl20,graveler=lvl35,magby=lvl17,clefairy=lvl42,onix=lvl5

 

after sootopolis gym ^^

[Adonar]

On 9/23/2022 at 4:14 PM, Adonar said:

 

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Feedback : painful, tears and blood. I'm not a fan of the new system. It's very hard, without Gyarados you can't win. A thought for those who do not know Pokémon well, they will be rolled over

 

 JOHTO 

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Feedback : easier than Kanto. It starts to become difficult to xp from the 5th arena. But I stay on my thought from the beginning, I'm not a fan of this new system: for example for xp a shellder that I had captured level 25. I had put it on level 35, it asked me as much xp for a level than my level 50 gengar.. it doesn't make sense.

 

[Yellowdot999]

Kanto

 

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Gym 1

Gym 2

Gym 3

Gym 4

Gym 5

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Opinion about the test

• Finishing this test wasn't easy. As a newbie or played for 500 hrs for fun, I found that it's a bit rough on doing this speedrun. I guess when the server merges I can try this again by creating a new profile (When unlimited profiles are allowed). 
• At the start it is a bit rough, I had quite a few all faints before get the first 2 gyms completed. 
• The new EXP scheme is the most beneficial in my opinion. Like it does help when trying to run speedrun like this. At least I can evolute my pokes early on. But because this is like a speedrun I ended up better evolve my Nidoran F (originally I was trying to do an experiment to see if not letting it to evolve will make it slower). If I don't evolve my pokemon then I will lose the battle easier.
• Choosing Charmander wasn't a good choice for Kanto. At least I had a hard start. Later it was okay but time is up. 
• For gym 2, I have to catch a Gloom after defeated by Misty. 
• I won Lance in Vermillion City. Hurray!!!!! (This is my first time winning that)
• For gym 5, I have to use Snorlax to tank (Is that the right word?). Which is fun. 
• The EXP share is a good tool in my opinion. I guess it helps when I am trying to boost a Pokemon that is quite low level like Snorlax (30 lv when caught, Charizard was 49 lv at that time). But not too sure about the EXP sharing mechanism, sometimes the Pokemon drains a huge amount, sometimes it takes less then the first (and only) Pokemon in battle. 
• Some bugs in the server
  • When I tries to call another Pokemon it often gives me the wrong one. The reason why I know this is often it brings me Charmeleon which is already fainted.
  • EXP animation goes backwards, but I guess you guys got the logs?
  • I can't talk to some NPCs (Like my head turns away or it doesn't pop up the diaglogue) and I have the log out or exit and come back to the room. 

I don't know whether I will get the reward because I didn't finished Kanto. But the best part for me is to see the new feature. Which is great in general. Looking forward to see it comes into the main game. 

[Ichigozer]

Yo,

 

Global feedbacks

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I did all the story with at least 2 trained pokemons to use expshare and no exp potion.

Would be cool if you add healer to some spot like berry tower

Cool adventure with some bugs during battle, pokemon that get killed for no reason after oponent uturn for example...

Exp share let us skip animation bar which is really cool for training low level pokemon

Time for each region (not mesured but feeling)

 

Feedbacks by region

Kanto

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Start bulbasaur + magikarp (magikarp seller) : thanks to exp share I got my gyarados really soon and could xp it in dugtrio cave which is the only one time I pex on wild pokemons during my adventure. 

I exp shared eevee from celadon to the league and it goes lvl 60+ which is kinda cool.

Imo there is not enough experience on trainer to make a smooth adventure with a team of 4+ pokemons without hard training on wild / exp potion

We still have to pex a little on league but it's all ok if you have sweeper 

 

Johto

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I started gastly + fera but feraligatr is the one who solo all gyms so my gastly was only crippling me.

The 6th badge magneton magnet rise that os and outspeed my whole team+ skarmory stealth rock and break sturdy was kinda hard 

The 8th badge is kinda terrifying for new players i guess so.

About exp on johto it's kinda not friendly tbh. 

 

 

 

Hoenn

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Start Mudkip + shroomish (all grass type were fcking world boss but it was cool)

 Highway till the end 

Add a quest for surf mount like there is for arcanine would be good imo

The most important part : SINNOH QUEST

It's what make me think that we need more global experience points : 6 fcking lvl 80

What is that requirement, it's not even needed to beat the boss. Magnemite lv 20 is enough to carry.

 

Sinnoh

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Start piplup + gligar (after 3rd gym but it's ok) 

Turtwig start seems cursed.

Was fun

same thing as other region, more than 2 pokes is harder than 2 or 1.

 

Screenshots of the four regions

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Edited September 25, 2022 by Ichigozer

[Lovland]

Kanto (finished)

Gym 1 after defating brock. I forgot to screenshoot before the gym, but nidoran was level 10 and squirtle level 12 before the battle.

Gym 2 before and after

Gym 3 before and after

Gym 4 after the fight. I forgot to screenshoot before, but i only used venomoth, which was level 34 before the battle.

 

Gym 5 before and after

Gym 6 before and after

Gym 7 before and after

Gym 8 before and after

After elite 4

 

Summary:

I really enjoyed the first half of the playthrough, being able to use evolved pokemon without being underleveled. Normally you'd wait to evolve your pokemon until right before the elite four, but now i was confidently able to evolve nidoran to nidoking before the second gym. The addition of exp share is also very nice, as it allows you to train weaker pokemon like magikarp more easily. I think exp share would also eliminate a lot of cheesy exp-boosting tactics like using a team of perish song mismagius to train pokemon. 

 

The game felt like a normal playthrough up until around the 4th gym. My pokemon was already starting to be underleveled. I had to heal after almost every trainer battle, and i realized that i wasnt gonna be able to beat the game with the team i had. I trained a venomoth and gyarados, since they had setup moves quiver dance and dragon dance. Thats how i beat most trainers and gyms up until gym 8.

 

Gym 8 had a mewtwo which is steel / psychich type, and is probably around level 100. Even after paralyzing and using flash 4 times, and setting up 3 dragon dances with gyarados, i only did 11% each turn with aqua tail, and all mewtwo needed was to hit psycic once to kill me. I figured out a strategy with magnemite, geodude and psyduck to beat it. Magnemite with sturdy used flash turn one. Then turn 2 mewtwo had to miss in order for psyduck to land soak. I retried this until mewtwo missed and then got off a soak. Then after mewtwo kills psyduck on turn three i switch to geodude with sturdy. Geodude uses toxic and mewtwo uses psycic which brings it to 1 hp. Then i heal geodude back to 100% with super potion, and repeat until mewtwo dies of poison.

 

For the elite 4 i was severly underleveled. My highest level pokemon was gyarados at level 54, and normally you want a full team of level 80's to beat the elite 4. I leveled gyarados in victory road, maxed out its attack ev's and leveled it to level 70. I needed around 15000 xp per level, and the pokemon in victory road gave around 1000 xp per fight, so i estimate i had to kill around 200 pokemon, + another 100 for ev-training. Then i had 10 rare candies that i collected and got it to level 80. all in all i spent around 3 hours grinding to level up gyarados, which was extremely boring. To beat the elite four, i used magnemite with sturdy to set up either reflect or light screen. Then i used around 2-4 dragon dances and swept through every elite 4 member.

 

To conclude, i really like the idea of a xp-rework, but i think you need to make it easier to level up, especially later in the game.

The xp-share is a great addition, and i hope it makes it to the live servers.