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[Mexicannoob]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<t>i agree, it COULD be breaking the rules in a PARTIAL way<br/>

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since its not a move its using<br/>

its an ability, therefor is a partial rule breaking on the pvp</t>

[Kaminokage]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<r>If we read exactly the actual rule :<br/>

<URL url="https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=34240"><LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?f=98&t=34240">https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=34240</LINK_TEXT></URL>

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• </s><LI><B><s></s>Evasion Clause<e></e></B>: A Pokemon may not have <SIZE size="125"><s></s>+<e></e></SIZE>Evasion or <SIZE size="125"><s></s>-<e></e></SIZE>Accuracy moves in its moveset. Using <SIZE size="125"><s></s>+<e></e></SIZE>Evasion moves or <SIZE size="125"><s></s>-<e></e></SIZE>Accuracy reduction moves is forbidden. <COLOR color="#FF0040"><s></s><B><s></s>Screenshot evidence is required.<e></e></B><e></e></COLOR>
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  • </s><LI><SIZE size="85"><s></s>Regarding moves with a chance of accuracy/ evasion effects- <U><s></s>All<e></e></U> moves with a chance to reduce accuracy or raise evasion are banned from Ranked PvP.<br/>
    List of moves banned by this clause:<e></e></SIZE>
    <SPOILER><s>

</s>Acupressure<br/>
Double Team<br/>
Flash<br/>
Kinesis<br/>
Leaf Tornado<br/>
Minimize<br/>
Mirror Shot<br/>
Mud Bomb<br/>
Mud-Slap<br/>
Muddy Water<br/>
Night Daze<br/>
Octazooka<br/>
Sand Attack<br/>
Secret Power<br/>
Smokescreen<e>

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Only moves are concerned by this rule. It means we can use ability or items to reduce accuracy or increase evasion.<br/>

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I recall the existence of a very nice item : Bright Powder. <URL url="https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bright_Powder&redirect=no"><LINK_TEXT text="https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/in ... edirect=no">https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bright_Powder&redirect=no</LINK_TEXT></URL>

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</s>Bright Powder now reduces accuracy of moves targeting the holder by 10% of what their accuracy would be otherwise. <e>

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I don't know if this item is coded or not on PRO. But Sand veil + Bright Powder can be very nice in PVP <E>:Shocked:</E><br/>

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This debate around the ban of Garchomp Sand veil is not new, one year ago, some players already debate about it. If i remember, this Evasion Clause come from accuracy seems to be bugged. I don't know if it's true or not, maybe my memory plays tricks with me. So why Garchomp Sand veil is not ban as well?<br/>

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One argue against the ban of Sand veil at this time was the fact that almost all Garchomp are Sand veil, the Hidden Ability was insane to have. But, this time is over, now we have Black MS to increase the Hidden Ability Rate. And we have a Repel Trick for Gible : <URL url="https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=64597"><LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?f=120&t=64597">https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=64597</LINK_TEXT></URL>

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</s><LIST><s>

• </s><LI>Gible ~ Clefable, Lunatone, Solrock ~ Land ~ M/D/N ~ Level 24 ~ Moon</LI><e>

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</e></QUOTE>Humans can have Garchomp Rough Skin now <E>:Crazy:</E><br/>

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If some players still think Garchomp is not OP, i would like to remind my post about the Most common PKM on PVP : <URL url="https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=69331"><LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?f=98&t=69331">https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=69331</LINK_TEXT></URL><br/>

Garchomp is at least in the top 25 : around 10% used. Unfortunately, it's only my own data, and only for yellow. And i don't have the exact distribution of Sand veil and Rough Skin. But, by memory, the number of Rough Skin is still very low. Sand veil stay the most used. <br/>

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So, for me, the debate for the ban of Sand veil should stay open. And my opinion is now inclined towards the ban of Sand veil. But i would like to see what others players have to tell about it before make my final opinion.</r>

[Smokincatcher]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<t>im agree too, sand veil chomp with a sandstream poké on same team is completely no skill</t>

[Jesusml]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<t>lol u guys cries for everything</t>

[Bash]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<r><QUOTE author="smokincatcher" post_id="450811" time="1507162911" user_id="1279238"><s>

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im agree too, sand veil chomp with a sandstream poké on same team is completely no skill

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Because?</r>

[Osiriss]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<t>I disagree. i think u get dicficulty against garchomp in sand and your attack miss so u want to banned that. im too. u are shy. The attack miss cus you are not enough luck. there are many moves with low accuracy. POkemons are made for we, so we should find a way to counter them, BANNED IS NOT A GOOD WAY. Good luck!</t>

[C9meteors]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<t>I disagree</t>

[Xrevolutionx94]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<r>This is not affected by evasion clause ( look it up ) That specifically lists moves not abilities. There's nothing wrong with that ability and has been analyzed many times and never had reasons to ban in in competitive play. There's nothing wrong with the abillity at all. So no please do not ban this ability it will kill garchomp.<br/>

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Reason: you bring a ttar and the opp just has a garchomp? Then what? lol <br/>

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i dont think you wanna force everyone to farm only ha chomps for the sand core lol<br/>

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If you ban it you force evryone to legit farm ha chomps....bc of the massive sand teams played in every server even if they dont run a sand stream mon whats stopping the opp from bringing one?<br/>

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[Smokincatcher]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<t>Its not killing garchomp revo, just not using sand veil ones in sandteam, because its pretty same like using smokescreen or whatever reduce accuracy, sand veil reduces accuracy by 20%, thats pretty effective in pro, in that case i want to know why a mate from my guild was banned because of white herb, which reduce only 10% obviously<br/>

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and yes bashfick, basing a strategy on luck is pretty unskilled for me<br/>

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but guys, its just a suggestion, we're here to debate and see what other players think about it, we already saw people ask for ban talonflame blaziken or many else, this suggestion makes more sense to me since there is already an evasion clause and people get ban for half of sand veil effect while using white herb<br/>

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And if u bring a tyranitar/hippo when opponent using garchomp its just unfortunate ( in this moment when u miss ur moves u just regret playing sand when u miss ur moves ^^ ), the most logical situation would have been simply not to code sand veil, according the rules</t>

[Xrevolutionx94]

Re: Garchomp Sand veil in pvp

 

<r><QUOTE author="smokincatcher" post_id="450956" time="1507210912" user_id="1279238"><s>

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Its not killing garchomp revo, just not using sand veil ones in sandteam, because its pretty same like using smokescreen or whatever reduce accuracy, sand veil reduces accuracy by 20%, thats pretty effective in pro, in that case i want to know why a mate from my guild was banned because of white herb, which reduce only 10% obviously<br/>

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and yes bashfick, basing a strategy on luck is pretty unskilled for me<br/>

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but guys, its just a suggestion, we're here to debate and see what other players think about it, we already saw people ask for ban talonflame blaziken or many else, this suggestion makes more sense to me since there is already an evasion clause and people get ban for half of sand veil effect while using white herb<br/>

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And if u bring a tyranitar/hippo when opponent using garchomp its just unfortunate ( in this moment when u miss ur moves u just regret playing sand when u miss ur moves ^^ ), the most logical situation would have been simply not to code sand veil, according the rules

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bro really like 90% of the chomps in pvp are sand veil xD and like i said that ability doesn't affect the evasion clause and like i said b4 opp brings ttar u have just a sand veil chomp then what lul so yeah ur forcing everyone to rehunt. So imo this post is stupid bc now people just want everything banned when they lose to it</r>