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You dont need to play pvp to understand wheather something deserves a ban or not.And since we are taking shots,i believe i udnerstand pretty well how meta works...the "some guy" as you recall it got 730 points the last time i was playing the game just cause i understand how it works. If you wanna throw in stats in every post then keep doing it.but since people seems to understand actions better than theory,then what youa re trying to show to the community is that a baby cannot kill you with its hands.I happen to allready know that.but do you?cuase it doesnt seem like you do.

"This is for people with above 200 rating." please stop using this sentence.its just making your arguement less valuable....and stop pointing out the winrates i pro.im not trying to be toxic but its super cringe cause i am tired of typing that people on pro tha make ladder are not even decent anymore...so imagine if people on ladder are not even decentmhow bad players with 200-300 rating are...and you taking them as a factor to point statistics as an arguement

i didnt bother reading the whhole text you typed,honestly,no offense but from the little ive seen it seems that you dont really understand how this game works or is suppose to be working and thats not a personal attack nor an offense.what you replied to me ive typed it endless times,paired with many more things obviously you didnt bother reading.baton got banned in gen 7 btw if that means something to you.i made another post as well,feel free to check it .bbut what youve said i ive said it before anyone alse and in a larger extend as well

Im gonna go on and ask you bro,since it seems like you are replying only to the things you want to reply to,why doesnt manaphy have a given move that raises its speed as well.simply because if tat was to be balanced it would be an option.maybe manapy would get quiver dance,or anoter move.instezd you cna only teac it tail glow and calm mind cause taking into consideration all the moveset,stats and ability options the only legitemently counter(after talonflame being banned which you didnt bother refering to while being te second factor after magerna being introduced to the game to finally get the baton banned)is to outspeed manaphy,especially on pro,since all of you guys really like talking about tings that we dont have so that baton becomes broken,you never really talk about the things we dont have to deal with it.simple excamble,easy one to understand,if you get toxapex into the game,suddenly you are forced to run psycic,otherwise you are forced to coose weater your manaphy is a sweeper/wallbreaker tats gonna be useless everytime you run onto a toxapex,or you run psychic to be able to deal with toxapex but suddenly ferro is an issue that could make the baton case look more balanced but obviously thats not the case,since there is no toxapex in the game. also,imma say it again,i said it again,i will say it as many times as needed,qeight(owever thats spelled,i dont know the guy,never heard of im besides his staff name so excuse me if my spelling is wrong) gave you some statistcs based on how many people use it,and the success they find using it.it doesnt matter how many peoplesucceed on the usage,it doesnt make it balanced and imma go on and say it again with all the respect towards the community,most people are not good at pvp anyways and dont find succes wit anything they use.so if someone is gonna be bad at pvp,thats gonna happen no matter whateam the person is using and baton is no different. That goes for the smogon comparisons too.the meta game is not smogon related or complete but that also means you lack tings to deal with it wichh again people that like baton dont really tink of or refer to for some reason which i dont understand(i like baton too btw but im trying my best ti be objective). Also imma say that again,for everyone that uses it andnot just glogs,congrats for making rank1 on the ladder wit that team but that doesnt make your opinion more valuable than anyone alse's.also if we are being objective,we've seen people that were at best decent(take brandonlee1 for example) that legitemently the person won ladder tournament using tat team while not even being a good player(you gonna say baton on sd and pro is not te same obviously,i allready know that but it makesno sense at all) at last,having answer for a specific pokemon is totally different than having answer for a pokemon that suddenyl can get stats which you dont get into consideration adn thats what baton does.i can have a lucario counter.now does my team need to be prepared for a lucario with 600 speed,well,imma go on and say no.and if anybody asks me why did i get swept by a lucario with 600 speed,imma go on and say cause i played the game for years and the max speed lucario can get is 306 and not 600.togekiss is a failed example as well that people dont get.glogssaid himself its a pokemon thats based on lack,so its an unskilled pokemon mostly based on lack but scarf togekisss and baton togekiss are two completely different things.obvious reason(nastly plot,baton one can be diffensive and stack and have more speed than a scarf kiss,etc,etc)but what inever udnerstood on what people held agsainst the baton pass was...if my kiss is scarfi canclick one move...then its not really that bulky...but at the same time its not even that fast for a scarf pokemon....on the other hhand..baton kiss is mostly bulky once like they shoudl be ofc,then tey stack with 600 speed..then if i dont have. pokemon that can oneshot it and has less than 600 speed obviously im gonna lose...and at the same time...if i have. apokemon that doesnt get oneshoted by togekiss and i get flinched which can happen,....again i can lose....but should i lose????it doesnt really sound to me... this is probably my last post on anythhign related to pro....i feel like the game as failed several things and mostly good pvpers...its not a coinsidence all those good pvpers just quit the game...its mostly cause pvp cases get misstreated.baton pass should be banned though..there is no point of you for people that have an understanding for the game in wich baton is not broken...and even if its fan to lose and people that like using it try teir hhardest to save...yet it doesnt make it. abalanced move especially when its not supported by arguements and just personal experience. best of luck to pro community,peace.

There several thing people say about baton,some of them are correct and some of them are not.I've done this allready more than 10 times in ladder tournament discord and in officcial pro discord so its getting boring...but will do it one more time for the shake of arguement. First of,baton ban was caused by two thing.The nerf of talonflame(which meant that no longer you can revenge killpokemon that got boosted from baton and then you have magerna(ive seen some people argueing about necrozma.its not as important as magerna but you can say that ).So,people that say that magerna is not in the game,should understand this:the ban of talonflame was a big reason but even if talon iventually didnt get nerfed,the fact that magerna was introducee in the game would cause athe baton pass ban anyways.So talonflame getting nerfed OR(and i say or because its not a combination and thats the thing people fail to understand,that one of the reasons mentioned is enough to get baton banned)magerna being introduced is enough to get the move banned. Now,the most common respose on why baton is not banned(and im skipping the "ive used it so in my opinion its not banned cause its not a valid arguement nor something you can rely on) is the populatiry contest which is interesting.first people. were bringing up the fact that not many people use it(which again is not an arguement) but probbaly after some thought the arguement became "not many people find success with it.With all the respect towards community,most people dont find success with anything they use,and i know it sounds rude,doesnt look pretty but its the truth and the only way to make the best decision possible in topic like this is to be honest and objective. Im also gonna point out,that the only pokemons that could pass speed ,which is the most common use in pro(its not the best but will get to that in a min),are scolipede and ninjask.People can get a few seconds and think how surprising it is that talonflame 1HKO both of these pokemon...all i can say its not a coinsidence nor a happy accident. At last(i could be going for hours but its getting boring after doing it so many times),you guys fail to understand that breaking the meta with something thats supposed to be banned is not a progress for the game.Baton is totally fun to play and totally unfun to play against.It makes sense for people to be upset or mad or sad or whatever that it got temporary banned cause its really fun to use it but the game will never get any real progress if these basic things dont get fixed.People embrasse winning but what people should embrasse is competition and baton kills this unless your team is perfectly prepared to face it and those specific counter technic only counter baton.again,you are not gonna lose many games becasue of an unpreparation towards baton but the truth is,you should lose none...so personally i find it dismotivating losing to it. Best of luck to the staff team on the final decision.Peace.

that's a very well made post tbh.obviously mr starkrey has a great idea about what is supposed to be inveloped in the game in order to balance it.well done starkrey

plus one.ugly af guy but still made some good points

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