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Yes, but why would you let it set it up? I mean, if thats the reason of the ban, than thats worse than anything. Doesnt matter what you let set up, unless you have unaware/answer to that poke, you are done and swept. Quiver Dance Volcarona can not be stopped even by Chansey/Blissey, cause its gonna 2 hit ko it. With this logic, we should ban everything that has any type of set up move.

And when will they get released? We should wait years them to get released, and just let our poke stay in the pc for years, beacuse a few amount of players cant deal with Greninja? Or Mega Mawile? When Tapus gonna gets released, players will be forced to create a tactic to counter Tapu+Lucha combo, since its broken. Of course, unless they ban it, but since they are totally allowed in Showdown, its not gonna go anywhere. 2 maybe 3 of the bans were right, but Greninja (and Mega Mawile) should be still allowed in pvp, since we basicly cut down different playstyles, teams that require these 2 mons. Balance/stall works perfectly with normal Sableye too, and they pretty much prefer it, as I know. According to Mega Metagross, its strong, fast, but not hard to counter, so if anything, that has the highest chance to be removed from the "banlist".

I aggre with like 80% of what you said. Greninja has indeed all of his coverage move, and this makes it strong. But here's the question. Against which other poke do players even think more than 1 second about the moveset? I mean, some meta pokemon, like Ferrothorn, Dragonite pretty much using the same moves every single time, while at Greninja, you need to think twice what is gonna be your next move. Mega Sableye is a good ban, since its forced you to run fairy type just for it. Mega Mawile and Metagross is so so, since Zapdos can tank Mega Mawile, and Zapdos is meta tank imo. The popularity thing and "this and that can counter it" is the other thing I aggre with you. Of course, I said that many thing can counter Greninja, but I got shut down immediately with the answer, "what if they have extrasensory or shadow sneak?" For the last part, and I mean no disrespect, I think there is a reason why many players dont say anything when staff asks our opinion. Did we, I mean a bigger circle had its opinion asked? Were their thoughts really considered just once that they might change the game into a better way? Or they read it, and thats it? We were showned that there is a Council, but their opinion didnt matter at all, many of them left the Council for a reason.

So you say, that from next season, we will have a healthy meta, right? I bet on that, beacuse we will have even worse than now. And no, not Greninja and not Mega Mawile makes it bad. I dont care either about other's money, but I do care about the community, and their time is wasted on hunting them and not buying them. I aggre with you on the fact, they should have let us know before banning them, so many player save their millions/hunting time. But the fact that Greninja and Mega Mawile is banned due to being a threat to walls is insanely bad. Threat to Hyper Offense? Not like that team could tank anything, that team's job to kill fast, and not to tank hits. Balanced should have checks and answers too.

+1. The reason, too op is not a valid reason, no matter who say it. Mega Sableye and Metagross van is rather understandable, while Mawile is so so, I would still rather face it, than the incoming meta after this season. Regarding to Greninja, I dont have anything to say, the reason too op is not a valid reason, its a joke, but they had to ban it, congratulation. With this ratio, players will lose interest not just in the pvp system, but in the game itself.

You base off your opinion how much rating do I have? I played only 2 games this season, cause I didnt have time to play. Lopunny is not a stall breaker, but can ko a good amount of them. And yes, they won ladders, and tours, but cant deal with Greninja, thats why the whole Pro community has to suffer.

I read it, and I these reasons are extremely just stupid. But you are right. Hope pvp staff sees this and ban Mega Mawile, Mega Lopunny just beacuse they are op. Oh, and of course they are offensive and a problem főre their loved stall team. This game keeps promoting walls, and that is not fun. Ppl saying with Greninja ban, we will have a healthier meta, but this cant be further from the truth. Greninja could damage most of the walls with an okay amount of damage, and could use it as a finisher. But good job Pro, I like how it goes so far.

Im sorry, but Mega Sableye is Dark and Ghost type, thats why Conk cant deal with it

+1 People give the reason Greninja in gen6 is banned. Well, this is Pro, not SD. Why do we even care about that? We have several changes to Gen7, just to mention Talonflame's ability. We are in Gen6? Than give it back to it. Banning Greninja just beacuse Protean makes it good, and the reason "too op" is not a valid reason, just straight up killing the pvp even more, and promoting stall even more. With this logic, lets ban things like Mega Lopunny, beacuse it can hit ghost types with fighting or normal moves.

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Its not our fault, your brain is only able to use stall. I like when brain dead stallers brag how good they are, when they are not.

Oh really. Those who want to add Tapus. Since they came out gen7 meta is the same brainless combo, Tapu+Lucha. What would be the counter if theres a +2 Hawlucha with over 600 speed behind sub?

Well, the good thing guys, Ash-Greninja not gonna get banned. But to not get bored, when Mega Swampert gets released, I will do a same thread just like this with the same reason : too op.

You dont understand it either. The reason of banning Greninja is too op is nonsense, a 5 yo kid could find out a better reason. There are mons that can check it/counter it, Specially if its locked to a move due to specs. If you abuse it currently and you keep winning, why do you want to ban it? Its not that op. Just check a storm drain poke like Gastrodon, laughs at it. Gave me a whole book? It was nice, I understood it very well, but none of them makes sense since its not impossible to kill. Protean Greninja is far harder to kill, since while you can kill Ash-Greninja with a Mach Punch, until using Shadow Sneak with Protean Greninja, makes it far harder to kill. But thats just my point and be my guest to continue this without any offense.

Beacuse it can be used in many teams. Rain is just an option.

You cannot be serious, right? 1 line, okay, I couldnt answer more to that. But heres the question. You guys want to ban it, beacuse you cant deal with it? You should adopt to it than. Many "kind" people asked me on discord, why do I want to ban pokes like Chansey, Skarmory, Alomomola and so on. They asked, I cant deal with them, or what? I asked them the same question, and their only answer was "lol". Many players have atleast 1 or 2 counter in their team, and the so called "ladder players" are afraid of that mon. Thought they are there, beacuse they have many checks and answers and not beacuse they are afraid of a pokemon. Pokes like Goodra laughs at Ash-Greninja, while there were many calculations, how ridiculous is to stay in with Ash-Greninja against many poke. Dragonite, which is one, if not the most common dragon type in pvp, banded or dd set, easily deals with Ash-Greninja. So, heres the question. You cant adopt to meta? Or I should play rain or stall, and literally make people angry at pvp? Beacuse these 2 teams are the worst among all of them, I dont say they dont need skill, but I dont think using recovery/status moves with regenerator abilities, or putting up rain and use Kingdra or any other Swift Swim poke need so much thinking. Fun fact, when they will add tapus and magearna, we will have the same topic, beacuse they are broken. The million amount of set that they can have will change the whole meta, and we will say the same, they should be banned beacuse not everyone have checks for them.

Well, what I want to reach is that obv not banning Ash-Greninja. Really useful poke i side ho teams too, while scarf pokes/weather a users can deal with it. Goodra actually laughs at it. Venusaur easily restore its own hp while killing it. Kingdra or any other ss poke kills it. Prio moves, like Bullet Punch most likely kills it. The problem with that is many ppl using stall, regardless Ash-Greninja or h. o. teams.

The problem with that is many ppl using stall, regardless Ash-Greninja or h. o. teams.

Lol, no wonder you want to ban it, you are just reading, but never learnt to understand what you read. Stall is bad, trash, 0 brain team that anyone can play. Read again what I wrote, but I write it down again just for you to understand it. IN gen7, toxapex and the tapus are the only check, upto that gen we have EVERY OTHER CHECK for it. And as I said, we not gonna get the TAPUS for now. Toxapex will totally kill this already bad pvp system, never said we should get it.

You call this trash meta healthy and balanced? Please tell me more. Stall and rain isnt healthy, specially not since those 2 teams are the meta for years now. Go and get a new excuse for banning this poke. In gen7, theres nothing but toxapex that checks it, nothing else, so I dont see your point. Tapus can check it too obviously, but we not gonna get them (atleast for now). And we have got every single other Ash-Greninja check in the game currently, so go ahead, get one more excuse for this one too.