PRO Viability Rankings (PVP)

[Kansu]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/19/2016

 

<t>Awesome thanks for the update and welcome back!! Theres not 2 cents:<br/>

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Name: Togekiss<br/>

Current tier: S<br/>

Desired tier: A+<br/>

Reason: Not sure why its S, but togekiss is fairly easy to deal with and not that centralizing at all. Of course its hard for stall to deal with the hax but offense won't really have any problem outspeeding togekiss.<br/>

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Name: Magnezone<br/>

Current tier: S<br/>

Desired tier: A<br/>

Reason: Honnestly not that strong... Magnezone should not be that high since its niche is simply to kill ferro/skarm/scizor which are not even S tier. I guess it helps against Azumarill thought so maybe A+. With low speed and 4x ground weakness its really not worth S rank imo.<br/>

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Name: Celebi<br/>

Current tier: A-<br/>

Desired tier: B+ or B<br/>

Reason: Seeing how unpopular Celebi is, the lack of Healing wish and Nasty Plot and access to HP Fire, it does not belong to A tier. Blissey Ferro Skarm all wall this guy to oblivion and they're amongst the most common walls.<br/>

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Name: Azumarill<br/>

Current tier: A+<br/>

Desired tier: S<br/>

Reason: This thing is disgusting and basically impossible to counter besides with Tentacruel or Fast Weezing. It will ohko most of the metagame with belly drum +6 with theright move. Venusaur, Celebi and Tentacruel are literally the only secure checks to belly drum Azumarill and they can't even switch-in safely due to Knock Off. She can also setup on common walls like Milotic, Slowbro, Blissey and some attackers like Weavile depending on the item it chooses to run. <br/>

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Name: Sableye<br/>

Current tier: A+<br/>

Desired tier: A or A-<br/>

Reason: Might be very controversial here, but Sableye isnt nearly as strong as people make it sound. Any strong attack will 2hko this squishy guy. He fills a big niche as a prankster support on stall teams with spinblocking abilities but nothing else. It will get beaten by many pokemon and cant switch into anything. Its also heavily hurt by willo misses and Lum berries (which is the item most physical attackers should be using right now almost). <br/>

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Names: Gastrodon, Roserade, Hydreigon, Snorlax, Medicham, Lucario<br/>

Current tier: A/A+<br/>

Desired tier: B or B+<br/>

Reason: They're really not that strong and don't belong to the same tier as Gengar, Milotic, Mew, Jirachi, Donphan and other powerhouses that are in A-. They have good niches but have many counters and won't fit on every team. Some of them are kind of noob traps too as they seem good but really won't have so much effect in real games, on top of being outclassed in their roles (medicham and snorlax mostly, althought I guess medicham can break some walls)</t>

[Sangkujung]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/19/2016

 

<r><QUOTE author="McWinSauce"><s>

</s><POST content="272207"><s></s>272207<e></e></POST> I think some of the prankster supports are rated too high with many of their abilities not working. Klefki and Whimsicott in particular.<e>

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Klefki can still be viable by providing speed control for the team in Thunder Wave. Klefki is also a reliable pokemon to get up Spikes and can also be used as a dual screen setter. <br/>

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I will move Talonflame to the S rank for now because of the valid points you guys provided. Sableye on the other hand should stay in the A+ rank for the following reasons:<br/>

In many cases it has to rely on Confuse Ray hax to come out on top of a situation. Not to mention many people using lum berries in this metagame. Also, it can be easily overpowered due to its subpar defenses and hp by strong special attacks and in some cases physical attackers. This also makes it hard for him to be a reliable spinblocker. <br/>

It is a great pokemon to have on a team and provides great support but will not always be reliable. If you have anything more to add about Sableye please do so. <E>:Cool:</E></r>

[Kansu]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/19/2016

 

<t>252 SpA Starmie Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Sableye: 156-184 (51.3 - 60.5%) nothing else to add. ^_^<br/>

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edit: Oh and btw Confuse Ray is really bad... Wasted moveslot when you could be using Prankster Taunt which is one of the mains reason I would pick Sableye. Its really easy to play around a confuse ray sableye unless you have 6 physical attackers and no strong priority. I think Klefki is pretty much equally good.</t>

[Shyntil]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/19/2016

 

<r><QUOTE author="Kansu"><s>

</s><POST content="272227"><s></s>272227<e></e></POST> <br/>

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edit: Oh and btw Confuse Ray is really bad... Wasted moveslot when you could be using Prankster Taunt which is one of the mains reason I would pick Sableye. I.<e>

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OT:<br/>

Didn't you notice the nosense love our server have for confuse ray? they spam in it everything that can throw it off, even milotic and starmie. It actually turns thegame into a rng fest if for whatever reason switching out is not an option. That's why they use it. Better lucky than good, they say. Lum berry spam is they way.<br/>

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In topic: im too lazy to argument properly, but i feel like donphan should be moved to A together with Mew and Cloyster, Venusaur and Medicham should be moved to A-, and Conkeldurr should be moved to B+ due to missing Drain Punch. B+ for Klefki aswell due to missing a good part of his moveset. B+ on Celebi aswell.</r>

[Enforcer]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/20/2016

 

<t>Name: Gothitelle<br/>

Current tier: A<br/>

Desired tier: S or A+<br/>

Reason- shadow tag is considered uber and justly so, her presence alters the entire current meta. If u run any special attacker or tank that cant 2 hit her, congrats you have a 6 times calm mind setup. Which = match over unless ur packing a very strong dark/ghost/bug physical attacker that can OHKO<br/>

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she is her own criteria that must be accounted for before building any team.</t>

[Dinheiro]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/20/2016

 

<r>im top 1 yellow server and i can say this is tottally accurated!!<br/>

gj <E>:y:</E> <E>:Crazy:</E> <E>:Grin:</E></r>

[Prehax]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/20/2016

 

<t>Names: Weezing<br/>

Current tier: B<br/>

Desired tier: A/A+<br/>

Reason: He is a pretty good counter to some of the A/A+/S pokemon such as Azumarill, Scyther, Excadrill, Gyarados, Blissey, Tangrowth, Weavile, Ferrothorn, Talonflame, just because he can use flamethrower and thunderbolt + painsplit vs Blissey, and Will O wisp ofc.<br/>

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He should be atleast A tier</t>

[Bigdanny]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/20/2016

 

<t>Names: Staraptor <br/>

Current tier: A<br/>

Desired tier: A +<br/>

Reason: pretty brutal bird as a starter. if ur starter is not a super tanky physical wall, Staraptor can always kill at least one of ur pokemon<br/>

and make ur team broken. And it can one shot almost all not tanky pokemons with brave bird</t>

[Guest shewas15]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/21/2016

 

<t>Gothitelle S -> A- Bruh <br/>

Blissey A+ -> A Bruh<br/>

Bisharp & Scizor A+ -> A- Mangezone Rise Bruh, and for bisharp,with the lack of coded talent and how bulky/stalled is the meta right now ,unless you face offense, this thing is checked all day long .<br/>

Breloom A+ -> A Spore saves the day no more <br/>

Dragonite A+ -> S Awesome moove pool , Best DD User of the game atm , probably the hardest thing to check<br/>

Snorlax A-> A+ Does the same as blissey , but a better way and wins game on his own <br/>

Crawdaunt A -> B+ I was probably the most hyped guys from the uu council when it got unbanned , Ik how this thing works, and actually with how the metagame is working, VolTurn not working as well just piss on his wallbreaking abbility .<br/>

Volcarona A+ -> B Sr , Blissey & Snorlax ,talon & azu , adding the fact method of getting it is absurd , A+ means it definite the metagame (not as much as S obv) ,80/90% of the ladder got answer to hit w/o having it in mind<br/>

Skarmory A-> A- Magnezone (would go even lower if the average lvl of red server is going to moove from awefully bad to kinda OK )<br/>

Klefki A+ -> B Niche/gimmick af ,not impacting the meta game at all<br/>

Gengar A- -> A Run Taunt ,would be A+ w/o THAT huge amount of weavile running around<br/>

Hydreigon B+ -> A Personnal Opinion , Run taunt and roost , deals alone with 80% of the meta HF</t>

[Kansu]

Re: PRO Viability Rankings(PVP) Updated: 9/21/2016

 

<t>Can mods pin this awesome thread? :)</t>