Ladder Silver and Gold

[Speedy]

English with google traduction :

I come here to open a discussion about the place of the ladder of the 2 servers.
- 25 places per server

- 50 places for the "ladder tournament"

The problem for me are players who play on both servers and ladder it distorts the "tournament ladder". Moreover the interest is only financial already that I find that the access is restricted it is it even more by it is account present on 2 server

The game community is not very large at the base you try to create a hype around PVP in this case only 1 account would have to be laddered on both servers.

- This frees up space for other players on a server
- Have more participation in the: "ladder tournament"

I find at least 7 identical players between the two servers here are the screens at time T

There are therefore 3 solutions:
1- Forbid an account to make ladder on 2 servers as well as the "alt".
2- Merge the servers to have a single one. (Impossible at present)
3- Do not change anything

French : 
Bonjour, bonsoir. 

Je viens ici pour ouvrir une discutions par rapport au place du ladder des 2 serveurs. 
 - 25 place par serveurs 

 - 50 place pour le "ladder tournament"

 

Le problème pour moi sont les joueurs qui joue sur les deux serveurs et font ladder il fausse le "ladder tournament". De plus l'intérêt est seulement financier déjà que je trouve que l'accès est restreint il l'est encore plus par c'est compte présent sur 2 serveur
 

La communauté du jeu n'est pas très grande de base vous essayer de crée une hype autour du PVP dans ce cas il faudrait que seulement 1 compte soit ladder sur les deux serveurs.

 - Cela permet de libérer de la place pour les autres joueurs d'un serveur 
 - Avoir plus de participation au : "ladder tournament" 

Je retrouve au moins 7 joueurs identique entre les deux serveurs voici les screen à l'instant T 

Il est existe donc 3 solutions: 
 1- Interdire un compte de faire ladder sur 2 serveurs ainsi que les "alt". 
 2- Fusionner les serveurs pour en avoir un seul même. ( Impossible à l'heure actuelle)
 3- Ne rien changer 

[Cosanostra]

Hi,

 

100% Agree

 

We are a lot to PvP, and only 25 peoples can finish top ladder at the end of the season for each server.

Actually, there are too much players which finish ladder in silver and Gold Server, this behavior give less chance to other players to finish ladder.

 

For example this season, 7/25 players are ladder in Silver and Gold Server (Screenshot in attached files), it’s really too much. 25 players per each server, and only 18 have chance to finish ladder. I think we should stop this. It’s not competitive and not fair for other players. Finish ladder in only one server is already a good thing.

 

For being clear, i have nothing personal with theses players who finish ladder in both servers.

 

Hope you understand feelings from other players who try hard for ladder and have less chance to finish ladder.

 

 

[G3n3r4l]

Yea +1 actually, i understand players want to ladder on both servers, i still think they should be allowed to, but then the people further down on the rating list will get to participate in the ladder tour, because of the people that get ladder on both servers. Of your 3 solutions, number 3 seems most plausible, while just checking for ladder and making a list of the eligible players, number 1 i feel would make people upset, as when you get higher up on ladder you won't want to pvp as much incase you lose your position, so they use an alt to pvp

[Speedy]

 Forbid an account to make ladder on 2 servers as well as the "alt".

 

@g3n3r4l

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Speedy

[Cosanostra]

They can detect if you play with 4+ accounts, so i think they can detect 2 accounts in ladder.

Having 2 places in ladder (one Gold and one Silver) is not fair for the other players.

[Cosanostra]

 

They have right to pvp in both servers. They can do it without finish ladder for each server.

 

We are not speaking economy. We all know that PvP rewards from 25 players are ridiculous in term of economic impact.

 

The current system is not fair. Do you think to other players who tried so hard to finish ladder and they can t ?

 

Please, be a little bit smart as soon as possible

3 hours ago, iceflake said:

-1

I feel like this would make too many OG players that spend a lot of time on both servers really upset.  We shouldn't punish players for wanting to pvp on both servers.  It densest really harm anything in the economy/game by letting them do 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by CosaNostra

[Gdarch]

I understand the frustration that can be caused with how things go currently regarding people having 1 account top 25 in both gold and silver.

But rather than preventing the same people from finishing top 25, when editing the list of players eligible for the ladder tournament, the staff could sort the list and make so that there are 50 different players based on their rating at the end of the season. At least, it won’t penalize players who achieved to be top 25 in both servers (I mean from an economic point of view). 

 

[Stavd]

i propose coin rewards only from one ladder...everyone would be free to ladder in both servers, but collect pvp coins only from one...this way they will luck motivation to spent one cc for no reward...cc prices are so low, that switching servers to ladder has almost no cost...and since no cost, there should be no reward...on they other hand, u cannot prevent someone from laddering, if he wants to do it for free...

[Moneywarrior]

Or ya know. Instead of talking about how to lower the bar by limiting existing competitor which just make pvp weaker imo. Strive to overcome these old boomers that repeating with old and outdated teams. We are all new buds once in the time(even those old boomers) believe it or not and have to outgrow the older trees and knock them out of the garden. Right now i hear a lot about how to take the shortcut by cutting down these trees instead of you know, get better then them and actually earn a spot in the garden by yourself.  
I do like suggestion 2 tho where we simply merge the server into 1 superserver and let the best all compete in 1 single ladder, then we truly see who are the toughest among real competition.
To sum it up. Tougher competition will naturally grow the competitive skill level while lowering the bars make every1 worse. Talking about preventing existing good players to play by either literly restricting them or take away their rewards will simply make the future of pvp weaker. If you want to get ladder isnt it beter you earn it by knocking those old washed up players down, or do u want the pity price where u only get the empty throne by name cause no1 else bothers?

Edited September 30, 2020 by MoneyWarrior

[Moneywarrior]

And those that talk about economy. Isnt this how the ecnomy been working like forever in pro? By this i mean the playerbase. There is a disporpotion btw pve and pvp player where there is way more players interesting in pve then pvp. By design every1 can pve and strike gold with pure rng which remove the skill level here to make money. Along that pve players are the sellers. With that i mean "buyers" in this game are either pvp players or collectors. The collector group of people are alrdy rich hence they can "collect" and they are not rly relevant in this discusion anyway so lets talk about pvp players. Pvp is the LITERAL deffining factor in this games economy. While the collector group have a stake in pokemon prices this games economy is mainly driven by the wants and needs of pvp players. So more often then not pvp players are the one who gives money to all the pve farmers when they buy pokemon. Now this means there is a huge money movement from the pvp players direcly to the pve players and this flow of money is very very one sided. This means that there is a constant stream of money pvp players are supplying the pve players (which ofc motivate the pve group to keep farming). By design this money flow is not sustainable if the pvp players somehow dont get the reason or motivation too keep the money which also mean the whole economy flowing. What is that reason/motivaion? Well LADDER is a big part of that reason. So yeah people here who talk about how unfair and yada yada pvp ruins the ecnonomy. PVP players, escpecially old school pvp players who are the literal reason u pve players have a big bank acount, those are the real suppliers, which make u wonder who are the "real farmers" in this case. All these new direction of limiting pvp players influence on the economy mindset is very misguided in my opinion where if you kill the pvp players money maker you literly kill a majority of the games economy (maybe i overexaggerate, or maybe not).

If you look at the toplist of bill gates in pro you see way more pve names then pvp names.
So to sum this up. Put some respect to all ladder players, especially old school ladder players that can keep repeat their name there. They are one of the OG driving factors in this economy and this new movement of driving them away is very disrespectful imo.
And before you rebutal of "these pvp players can also farm and pve their own mon!!!" ... Well if they do and farm their own mons then why would they buy pokes from you? If they stop buying mons from pve suppliers what do you think will happen to the economy? who will give you 500k for a azumarill? Now your jobless and cant put food on the table for your own family

Edited September 30, 2020 by MoneyWarrior