[Un]Banning Dugtrio & Wobbuffet

[Politechnik]

Since the ability Arena Trap is working properly and we have spam of focus sashed dugtrios in pvp. I suggest to either unban Shadow Tag Wobbuffet or ban arena trap Dugtrio aswell.

 

Reason?

Both Wobbu and Dugtrio are meant to trap and take down certain threats, both have simillar drawbacks (arena trap can't trap flying and levitate, wobbuffet cannot attack) and most of the time both are one-time use. That's why they should be either both unbanned or banned.

[Prehax]

never understood why Wobbuffet was banned tbh /shrug

 

+1 to unban Wobbuffet

[Jorogumo]

If it's true that we can get Heatran, then the viability of Talonflame, Volcarona (lacking HP Ground), Clefable (whose only way of hurting Heatran is through Thunder Wave), and a lot of other Pokémon, will decrease. If Talonflame uses U-turn, Heatran can just set up Stealth Rock. Heatran would be meta-changing at this point, because it can use Toxic on Water-types and Ground-types, can't be Pursuit trapped by a powerful Pokémon like Choice Band Tyranitar, can run Protect against High Jump Kick users (with Drain Punch still being bannable in PvP)... It can also threaten Fighting-types with a burn (30% chance) thanks to Lava Plume. Taunt will shut down a lot of Pokémon. Heatran can also trap Chansey/Blissey and win against either with the combination of Magma Storm, Toxic, Taunt, and Protect. Dugtrio doesn't have the HP that Wobbuffet has and safely bringing it in can be a real hassle. I think Dugtrio is quite unhealthy for the metagame, but this isn't SM Dugtrio, boasting a base attack of 100. This version of Dugtrio can not kill whatever it traps either. It has more versatility than Magnezone (when it comes to trapping), but it will be forced to use Screech to guarantee a kill sometimes (thus relying on Focus Sash to tank one hit before doing its job). This is one of the few things that can be brought in, either after a Pokémon dies or via VoltTurn support/a predicted double switch (unless you don't fear the burn, because Lava Plume will bring Dugtrio down to 1 HP), against Heatran.

 

Dugtrio also works well with Skarmory (luring in Magnezone) and Chansey (taking on all of Heatran's moves before switching to Dugtrio on Toxic/Taunt/Protect).

 

Therefore, regarding Arena Trap, I think we should hold our horses for now. We have yet to see how Heatran will perform in PvP (although, on paper, it looks quite terrifying). It's not "broken", but its versatility and splashabilty, on top of the utility that it brings, will make it a top threat.

[Theburi]

dugtrio is super easy to counter... so IMO if u want, go unban wobbufet... Banning dugtrio makes no sense to me...

[Envymeister]

for that logic why not banning magnezone aswell? ... shadow tag was banned coz goth took ALOT of time to set up, thats all, not coz she trapped pokes, it was banned coz time stalling

[Jeremco]

I dont rly get the point of that thread, why would you mind of wobuffett ban or unban when the half or more of his important moves arent codded?

The Custap berry aint codded/implemented, when that item is apart of the classic wobuffet strategy .

Encore, also a classic of his moveset.

Destiny bond , another classic.

 

 

Thoses 3 moves/item aint codded/implemented. For this reason , wobuffet is anyway not playable in PvP.

U even can add the alternative " safeguard " to that list which isnt codded.

 

Also, even if all of thoses moves was codded , wobuffett vs wobuffett would be an endless battle, since it would've to go through a struggle fight, and if both poke hold leftovers , they'll recover more HP than they lose by struggle .

 

As for dugtrio, its nothing with wobuffett since dugtrio cant trap the levitate or flying pokemons when shadow tag can, so this is the reason why arena trap =/= shadow tag.

[Mexicannoob]

Is there sheld shell in this game?

[Flaflapt]

Is there sheld shell in this game?

 

There isn't.

[Adam]

Why not ban all good pokemons on PRO ? Just PVP with useless one ?

[Flaflapt]

Why not ban all good pokemons on PRO ? Just PVP with useless one ?

 

Tiering would be great but impossible to code.