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Very late and not op, but maybee someone else also has the same question. No, budget team can do all bosses. The Kanto/Johto thing are the Requisites asumed to build the team. For exaple, you can't get a good Whimsicott or Pangoro in Kanto/Johto with reasonable investment (later a Kanto-boss gives you Pancham as a reward, so you can easy upgrade from the cheap team.) Also you need to defeat a boss to unlock egg moves, so for budget team you can't use them, because you have to build the team to defeat that boss. The diference between the teams is, that the budget version is weaker and will strugle on hard difficulty. Also it is less reliant on the bosses Atacking stat beinig debuffed, so if the boss has a setup move, this team can still do it. You can still win with the budget team, but with the expensive team you can do bosses more reliable. Also for bosses with roar and whirlwind you can try to use to use whirlwind(skarmory) or roar (Persian) yourself. The only problem is, that the new Pokemon is random and some bosses (Looking at Ash Westbrook) have other problematic Pokemon in their lineup. This option also costs you the pokemon using the attack, so you'll have to defeat the new pokemon with one Pokemon less. An alternatve would be a Pokemon with Mirror Coat or Counter (Golem or Magnezone are options, both also have sturdy, later there's Wobuffet) can also be used to defeat the first Pokemon. That one has the advantage, that the boss will choose his second Pokemon, so you can more reliable predict, what you'll be up against next. The downside is, if the second pokemon is just as bad, a random choise could be better. Also, you've got one Pokemon less in your boss team again.

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Cool Idea keep up the good work. Maybee add if they renew and how often, or have a small text at the start, that you only list renewable points.

Since I started Bossing with Batton Pass (after learning with Dragon Dance Gyarados at lowest difficulty) I am late to this team. I am currently trying to have an alternative Sweeper for some bosses by switching Mega Slowbro to a Magic Guard Clefable. It needs: Bold/Relaxed nature. 178 Def, 80 SPDEF, 252 HP (imo better) Calm/Sassy nature. 252 DEF, 252 HP. Since it does not have Iron Defence I changed up the movepool: Cosmic Power --> Raises Def + SpeDef Softboiled - Healing Move, TM available in Fuchsania, elso get Moonlight (Lvl up/Move Relearner) Chare Beam --> weak special electric attack, that has 70% chance to raise SpeAck available after defeating Surge. It is advantagous to raise PPs of this move Main Dammaging Move Magic Guard allows the Pokomen to avoid indirekt dammage so it can start burned against Bosses with freeze or paralyse or it can ignore Toxic/Poison/Burn. The disadvantage is, that you loose imunity to crits, so rng can screw you over there. The strategie is, that Clefable comes in after debuffing and hazards, sets up 6 Cosmic Power, Uses Charge Beam to rais SpAtk and then switches to main dammaging move. All while healing if nessesarry. You may also switch to the other move earlier and go back to Charge Beam for some Poke later (or even come back with maxed SpeAtk for effectivenes) As for which one to chooce there are the following options: Stored Power: Probably the best one, it is the special counterpart to Power Trip, from Bhimoso's Batton Pass guide. To paraphrase his words from there: Stored Power's base power is based on the amount of stat boosts you have. It powers up more the more stat boosts you have. Stored Power's maximum base power for this setup is 380. Yes, you read that right: 380. Clefable gets up to +6 stats on Def, SpeDef and SpeAtk, clicks Power Trip and faints everything. Well everything not imune to Psychic, the biggest weaknes for Stored Power. Also, even if you only have +6 on Def and Spedef you attack with 260 Base Power (and only Base SpeAtck), so it's not a clean sweep but it can get close. Otherwise this option is simular to Psychic on Slowbro. Moonblast: The STAB-Alternative. It has better coverage so the floor is lower. The cealing too thought. other Options lose out but they exist: Icebeam: Probably the best, with Charge Beam it is "BoltBeam at home" Best coverage, but slowest, simular to the same move on Slowbro Flametrower: Again, simular to the same move on Slowbro, Has less coverage but faster for some bosses. Shadow Ball/Solar Beam/Signal Beam/Focus Blast/Tri Attack/Hyper Voice --> Scraping the Barrel, these are 95% the inferior option. Maybee great for one specific boss, would need to look it up, but normaly you want broader coverage. Bosses that should be easier with this Pokemon(decending in Rank from the list above): Lt Surge -- Lorelei -- Pewdie & Diepy-- Thor -- Terminator -- Klohver -- Battlebot -- Naero (still beware the flinches for some of them) Aditional testing needet to confirm this.

I'm not OP, but if I do the math (using the same numbers before) I get the following numbers: Cost of ms considering you want to do battlebot 15d ms is usually around 400k, and since we can battle it twice with 15d ms we can consider 200k as the cost for 1 battle. 30d ms is usualy around 600k, and since we can battle it three times with 30d ms we can also consider 200k as the cost for 1 battle 60d ms is usually around 1m, and since we can battle it five times with 60d ms we can also consider 200k as the cost for 1 battle So with the changes, the cost of one battle are around the same (the better efficency of smaller ms is around the same to the saved pay for bigger ms) I'm excluding the cost of boss mons because there are plenty of other bosses from which you can recover that cost. Earnings per battle We can earn 60-125k from in each battle. So we can consider an average of 85k earnings per battle excluding the items, mons and phione. Took it a bit less as not everyone's luck is good. Profit The cost for 3 battles would be 200k × 3, so 600k and earnings would be 85k × 3 + 400k (guaranteed 15d ms reward on 3rd consecutive win) = 655k So profit = 655k - 600k = 55k after every 3 wins. (Remember we are excluding items and mons here.) 55k isn't a big amount for many (and it is even less than bevore) but having ms for 15 days of a month for free (cos cost is already recovered) and considering this on a long term basis, this is not bad. The total time consumed in battling this boss thrice would be around 5-30mins depending on what your boss team is so, it doesn’t takes much time. Everyone feel free to correct me.

Hey, Since some time has passed, I want to revive this guide to give my opinion on different things that poped up during using Trainer Tower and to encourage you to give your opinion on it, too. I use 2 non ideal Moxie-Gyaradoses (one LV 69 with adamant but >10 IV in Attack and one LV 39 with no good uiaetrdnuiae) with Gyaradossite. Recently I trained an prety ideal offensive Intimidate-Gyarados. If my pokemon is > LV 20 I give it the Exp.Share and defeat a trainer to get it to LV 20-30. Most times I train 5 Poke at once, Here are the topics I want to share my experience: First of, regarding all my points: Sice you can acces Flors, for which your offencive Pokemon is overleveled, I am in the privileged position, to not care about most of them. So I just fight from on side to the other. When my Pokemon are on the same Level as the Trainers, they become relevant, but often times small mistakes don't have big consequences (often they jus result in using a healing berry more). Finaly, when your Pokemon is definitly weaker than the Enemy Pokemon, acting optimised becomes a nessesaty. Order of Fighting: Since you level with each fight (duh), your pokemon are higher level and thus stronger for the later fights (again, duh. Therfor, for small optimisation, I avoid Dragon/Electric and Fighting at First. If I need otimced fights I start with Fire --> Ghost/Psychic/Ice -->Rock/Ground/Ice/Fairy --> Normal/Water/Dark/Poison/Bug --> Dragon/Fighting/Electric/Grass. If you usce Ice Fang instead of Iron Head swap Dragon with Fairy. Movepool of Gyarados: Ice Fang vs. Iron Head: I use Iron Head on my main Pokemon, and when I'm unlucky I'm cursing myself for not having Ice Fang. I'll probably have to experiment here. Something I learned it that Iron Head can cause Flinches which has helped me save heals a few times. My Intimidate-Gyarados used Ice Fang. I can't put my finger on numbers, especially since the loss of Moxie greatly reduces the Sweeper-potential. But for me, even thought it has only 95% Acc, so it sometimes missed, Ice Fang felt smoother in the Tower. So here's the first call for others: Share your experience with me and the others, which move you use and how it felt (or even back it up with date, I'd love that one. Best time to Megaevolve (if Moxie-Gyarados): The more Pokemon you defeat before Mega-evolving, the higher your Atk-boost will get(duh), but you will lose the advantage of better Stats on the Mega. On an Intimidate Gyarados you want to Megaevolve directly exept if a factor says to better never megaevolve in that fight. There are also additional Factors to this: Sice of the enemy team: Lover Flors (3 enemy Pokemon), you normaly wait one or two Pokemon Middle Flors (4 enemy Pokemon), you normaly wait two Pokemon Higher Flors (6 enemy Pokemon), you normaly wait three to four Pokemon In the tower the Level of the Pokemon is not dependent on it's position in the enemy team, so don't expect to have the weaker enemys at the start to savely get your Moxie-bossts. Enemy Type Against Figting/Graß you normay never Mega Evolve (unless you need speed Bost or want to ensure kill) Against Psychic/Ghost you sometimes want to Megaevolve earlier to ensure a oneshot with stab crunch Agains Water/Dragon you also sometimes want to ensure Oneshot by geting STAB on Crunch. Against Electric Trainer you want to megaevolve if you can't assure a oneshot since without Flying Type you can tank a hit better. Beware of types with Problematic Pokemon Problem Pokemon: Quacksire (Ground and Water Trainer): It is Tanky an at higher Lv it often uses Toxic, whitch puts you on a timer. If heath allows it, use a berry or try to megaevolve and kill the enemy before your Pokemon dies. In some cases switch out your Pokemon to another, that can tank 2/3 attacks and heal your Gyarados/offensive Pokemon. A variation are Pokemon that give status when hit (e.g.Paras and Litwick). If posible use Earthquake, or pray to the rng-goods. Sturdy-Pokemon: If they come in early, I usualy let my Pokemon tank a hit. In the later parts, I usually Megaevolve for Mold Breaker, especially if I expect an super efective counter attack. Murkrow(Dark and Flying trainer): Uses Sucker Punch. Tank if possible. If in the middle of the team, consider Mega Evolving Gyarados to get resistance Fast Pokemon (Crobat, Jumpluf, Whimsicott Togetic, etc): Often you'll have to take a punch. If the pokemon can flinch you (Crobat and Togetic ) it can cause problem. Consider Mega-Evolving (thought if you are underleveled it can still be faster and agains Gras/Fighing you lose Resistance) or take the hit. OHKO: Some Pokemon use these Moves. You can (and will) get unlucky and have your offesive Pokemon fainted. Ice and Fighting are the trainers to look out for. (Vanilin-Line, Gilgar are the Pokemon to look out for. Notable Pokemon(Not Problematic sometimes they can even be benefitial) Avalug: Most of the times it uses Skull Bash (Takes a turn to charge but Raises Deff). You'll do less damage the second turn, so be carefull if you yust reduced it's health by around 50%. A variation are other tanky Pokemon (eg. Snorlax). Here you will also often have to take the hit and heal after the fight. But in these cases you have the advantag of dealing the same amount of dammage the second turn. Dragalge (Dragon or Poison): Normaly a free kill with earthquake, prolong Mega Evolution for the next Pokemon. Hitmontomp: Often uses Endevour. If you don't oneshot it can troll your health. Giga Impact/Hyper Beam(eg. Fraxure): The second turn the Pokemon needs to recharge. Consider switching to a less efektive move to preserve PP So far my adition, feel free to add your own infos/opinions and @Bhimoso: Feel fre to add any useful information from my post to the og guide.

Not a Team member, but I've read arount for a while: Smeargle is banned because it can have any movepool you want, making it an overpowered option in whatever position you want it in. So you could habe him as a baton passer (with Coil + QuiverDance (Plus Substitue an Baton Pass), or as a perfect debuffer/Hazzarder or even Sweeper (with or without Setup) So to encourage varirity (there are meta choises but because of other restrictions most of them have (sometimes small) drawbacks), it was decided to bann him for Bosses. Keep in mind, that at the time it was legal to have each Pokemon more than once so a 6 Smaergle team would have been possible. And thought that's not the case anymore, I still think he'd reduce variety, so -1 Edit: To quote from this (https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/194267-using-baton-pass-to-clear-late-game-bosses/#findComment-1102907) discusion, where my betters put it better: [...] Smeargle was plain broken in bosses, it wasn't just the Sleep + Substitute + Setup + Baton Pass combo, it also had other sets that could be exploited and have a near 100% if not 100% winrate on hard. The nerf still hurt a lot though, many players are currently frustrated due to the most flexible pokemon in existence (but also the easiest to exploit with) being banned.[...]

Auction house is a silent +1 since it is already on the todo, it is not a high priority for me, so I'm fine with not having it atm. +1 to a way to rerolls for Shiny and Event. I agree, that these should be more expensive that rerolls for legendarrys since you can get more of the former and it is for convinence and for casuals like me who might want to use a special form. Thought I know that the suggested change would also profit the hardcore-player more. So I'm also open to Eatly's alternatve, whatever it'll be. +1 to Quest Helper, I swear I started some Mega-Quests already but I don't know where I'm standing with them. I would love if that one also loggs specific pokemon (e.g. the ID of the Pokemon you've got to train for Oak)

The reason for Bulbasaur not beeing in Viridian is sound, so I'd propose an alternative suggestion: Map name: Route 16/17 Pokemon: Bulbasaur Reason: Route 16 is close to Celadon, so it can fit thematicly. Also this route is only available after beating Erika, therefor after trading is possible, so it should not effect balance that much. Since Route 16 has already UR alternativly it could be moved to Route 17. Old: Charmander and Squirtle are available to be caught on "free to visit" areas leaving Bulbasaur the only Kanto starter that you either need to pay the safari entry fee or wait for (atm. event) islands in order to catch it.

The new update did solve the problem. Thank you for the quick answer and a thank you to the Devs for their quick solution.

Hey, I've just updated my client (Steam Deck) and now I've got the following Problem: My Items in the menue don't have names and can be searched. I can equip and unequip items by draging them to pokemon. If they are equiped I can see the name of the Item but the description still does not apear. Changing the taps in the menue works. My badges are shown as not existing anymore. Becauso of that I can only acces the Pokemon of the region I'm in. Pokemon in my Party are not affected but the box is locked. Changing Regions is possible (only train tested), it changes the available pokemon. I did not try to rechalenge any gym. The other data in the Trainer Menue seems to be correct. I did try downloading and reinstalling the client, it did not solve the problem. My other account (TheOnlyMomo) has the same Problem, so it should be a Problem from the client.

Great Guide, thank you very much. I have looked into the Gyarados-Moveset and wanted to know why you choose Iron Head (Steel-Type) instead of an other option. The way I see it, Waterfall (Water, STAB), Crunch(STAB when Mega) and Earthquake (Ground) are set and there are 3 Options for the fourth attack: All of them hit every Pokemon at least neutral, but Super Effective vary widely. (According to: https://pokemondb.net/tools/type-coverage) Iron Head (Steel; you choice) + Best Power for Full Accurcy (80 for 100) +Good against Fairy - No STAB - other Super effective (Ice and Rock already covered by other Moves) - Hits only 638 Poke Super Effective (577 normal) - Most expensive (8.000 for Tutor (Johto needed) Ice fang (Ice; used in the Guide from Leeluckya) + Hits 770 Poke Super Effective (445 Neutral) + Super effective against Flying, Grass AND Dragon Trainer + cheapest and earliest to get (2.000 at Move Relearner) - Only neutral against Fairy - Least powerful (65 at 100 Acuracy) Bounce (Flying Type; not mentioned) + STAB when not Mega + Hits 784 Poke Super Effective (431 neutral) + Effective against Grass, Fighting AND Bug Trainer + Highest Power (85) o 4.000 for Tutor (Johto, Lake of Rage) - Can miss ( only 85 accuracy) - Takes two turns (can be advantageous if no Mega Available with leftovers) -only 5 PP Base My Takeaway is: Bounce is the strongest but the drawbacks make it the worst choice. Ice and Iron is a bit of a Personal Choice, Ice is more effective but weaker. If you don't have Megastone yet it is also better with Expert Belt. Since you want to use Tower after Story (and probably more after Johto Story) Price and availability should not be Problems. What are your thoughts on that? P.s.: Also while typing I had the fought, that maybe a tanky approach (Dive and Bounce + Leftovers) could also be viable, but since you normally want clearspeed, it is the inferior option, I.d say.

+1 Imo, I'd say, that If the Rope can be used everywhere, I'd probably bump um the price to 3k to make it a more expensive but more convinient alternative to Subway/Teleport. Same with an choise-Rope, I'd say could be 6k especialy since it can potentially replace Subway and Ferry combined, which wold have cost 7,5 together.

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Hi, I played casually for a while now and since I'll probably continue for a while, I'd like to join a guild. 1. What's your Player name (IGN)? MomoT 2. Number of hours played? 436 hours finished Hoenn; Sinnoh not started yet 3. What's your favorite Pokemon? changes sometimes, atm Gengar 4. What do you enjoy doing the most in PRO? (Hunting, PvP, trading, etc) Hunting and PvE 5. How old are you? (Optional) 32