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  1. i do a small summary now because the personal wars are butchering the discussion.

     

    i remind everyone again, we talk about bans because we are missing content and noone knows how long it will take to implement the content. Therefor saying "just implement the content" is not valid!!! Also waiting till content is added before taking action means we do different thing while we have the same problem (may or may not having OP's available)

     

    I'll add some alternatives to hard banns because a lot of problems are a result of a combination of pokemons, abilities or moves. Consider this: in most cases banning one aspect of the problem renders those pokemons useless (in Pro) resulting in a hard meta shift. Banning the combination only weakens the pokemon resulting in more counterplay.

     

    1. Ban Regenerator

    1.1 reduced to Slowbro because Tangrowth and Amoonguss are weak to comon Talonflame and Staraptor, Slowking not as good in comb with blissey (skarmory as counterpart should be considered here)

    + there is no downside to hard switching without pursuit and other trapping moves working correctly

    + without choice items and life orb mixed attackers wont deal enough dmg to a combo of 2 different walls switching in and out + regenerator and regen moves

    - there are still counters available like hydraigon, Togekiss, Tryannitar, mixed Salamence, special defense pokemons with access to regen moves like mew, Shadow tag pokemons

    - Slowbro is good answer to comon sweepers like Talonflame and Staraptor

    Alternative actions to be considered:

    -> ban combination of Blissey+Slowbro or Skarmory+Slowking (but the combo is not as good against Talonflame or Staraptor and both are weak to electirc)

     

    2. ban shadow tag

    + its uber in smogon/competetive for reasons and for years

    2.1 ban shadow tag Gothitelle

    + pursuit not working for easy revenge kill

    + Gothitelle can come in on special attackers and setup up calm mind almost for free

    - only shadow tag makes her relevant. stats and typing arent phenomenal

    - extremly rare (h.a.)

    - u can still switch with u-turn, volts witch, baton pass

    - because trapping moves like pursuit arent working its a good counter to stall teams

    alternative actions to be considered:

    --> ban pokemons with shadow tag and boosting moves (calm mind) + encore

     

    3. gale wings Talonflame

    + "its too strong"

    - enough counters available like Lanturn, Tyrannitar, Jolteon, extreme speed users (impish Arcanine), stealth rock (50% dmg)

    - a sweeper is supposed to deal dmg

     

    4. prankster Sableye

    + magic bounce and magic guard not working

    - it has low stats

    - low offensive presence

    - prankster Klefki has higher stats than prankster Sableye but can be steel trapped

     

    5. Staraptor

    + "to strong with reckless"

    - without roost recoil and stealth rock are very effective

    - mostly used as anti lead but Galvantula, Aerodactyl and Forretress (with sturdy and counter) kill it

    - steel types resist both stab moves (Bronzong and Metagross arent weak to fighting too)

    - faster pokemons and priority are an option

    - a sweeper is supposed to deal dmg

     

    6. entry hazard

    + tm defog not available

    - rapid spin is avaiable

    - some pokemon have acces to defog through eggmove

  2. 206333your opinion is probably the finest i have seen. The whole point of me ranting is i don't want any of the 2 to get banned and both of them are very good at where they are currently. Ban nothing and code the items and abis and then we can sit and discuss whats op or what is underwhelming :)

    I get the feeling there is a missundestanding here. The discussion is going on because of the missing moves/abilities/items. And the banns we talk about will be temporary till the new content is implemented.

    193259 I would like the users who do ranked battle to give us an input of which Pokemon should not be in used in a ranked battle. I will start with the basic list you keep suggesting the others such as moves and the Pokemon and please explain why they should not be used in ranked battle. Example; Pokemon X shouldn't be used in ranked battle because Items Y are missing to counter it. ...
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    206039 i think Outrage still has a bug, it sometimes move first as a priority move (not 100%) in pvp, last match, my opponent Drasonite use Outrage, my Mamos use IceShard, but he go first. Please check that move !

    I think it's a thing with dragonite and outrage, it's fixed for every other user of outrage (to my knowledge).

     

    mhhh if only we had access to nature+ev+iv of both pokemon. :Light: Because of same base speed it could be a bug in combination with extreme speed (+2). if this is correct the bug should appear with arcanine too. Feel free to test it

  4. 196768

    Status on blissey? NP, switch in slowbro.

    Status on Slowbro? NP; healbell in blissey.

    No Health in blissey? Soft-boiled here we go.

    No health on Slowbro? Switch it out!

     

    make it taunt, add a lum berry and a trapping move like whirlpool/bind/clamp (they deal 1/8 or 1/16 of max HP -> after 4 turns thats 50%/25%) or mean look.

    U are so certain with your opinion that ...

    Next u argue that its not meta, ignoring that meta is the term for everything that is strong and their counters.

    We talk about ranked. If u build a team that is weak to fotm comps than its your fault. PRO isnt like other pokegames making uncommen answers in those games sometimes super effective and viable here. Start to use your brain more often instead of using smogon tiers and old habits.

  5. 196699 No matter what the meta, slowbro should be banned.

     

    It is extremely tanky, can be played two-way defensive, still deal tons of damage, spam thunder wave on all your pokemon, slack off when below 50% to heal back up. If played bold, which is 95% of the time, it can do a single calm mind and be both more offensive and sp.defensive.

     

    use taunt and it wont heal nor boost itself nor paralyze your pokes

  6. as far as i know arcanine gets flare blitz from growlithe (lvl 45) and morning sun only through egg move tutor.

    Arcanine cant learn flare blitz by itself. U are forced to use Fire fang instead now. Same counts for Crunch (lvl 39) -> Bite

     

    My advice (for PvE) is to try Fire Fang, Extreme speed, Bite and Thunder Fang or (for PVP) catch a new Growlithe and evolve it once it learned flare blitz, crunch and outrage. If your Arcananie is really good, u dont need to trash it. Save it till u get access to egg moves

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    But the thing is, Slowbro users can just switch out. And those items, moves, abilities, etc, were to make sure this don't go unpunished...

     

    They will still switch out and a resisting pokemon or wall will switch in. All attacks except pursuit are slower than switching. With choice items u are now locked into a move, which may be effectiv against slowbro but is ineffective against the new pokemon. U are now forced to switch your pokemon giving the enemy an advantage.

    The counter to pivot is right prediction and mixed attackers and/or pokemon with high coverage and expert belt

  8. 193393

     

    I didn't mean the move 'Thrash'. A Reckless Staraptor would normally have: Brave Bird, Double Edge, Close Combat, U-Turn. Thrash is not affected by Reckless.

    Besides you'd have to be careful switching in Gengar, unless you know 100% it's not going to be a Brave Bird, or else RIP Gengar.

     

    sry for misunderstanding.

    I still think there are enough counters to staraptor (aerodactyl, metagross, skarmory, relaxed bronzong, galvantula, Stealth Rock, ...)

  9. 193366

    In the current PRO-Meta nothing bar Skarmory can take a thrashing from Sharp Beak/Silk Scarf Reckless Staraptor

     

    Trash is a normal type move --> no effect against ghost --> gengar with thunderbolt and expert belt can switch in and revenge kill it. have u ever tried a relaxed tyrannitar or bold+sturdy Magnezone? Aggron (strongly resisting flying and normal) and metagross (resists flying and normal) are now ingame too.

     

    imo outrage and trash arent problems because the move locks the user and there are immune pokemons available to at least revenge kill it for a 1 for 1 trade.

     

    nothing should be banned if it isnt bugged or there are at least 2 (smogon uu+) counters avaiable (membership only and super rare headbutt pokes shouldnt count)

  10. Re: Tymerods Lvl 100 Pokes (Charizard-Y, Galvantula, Scizor, Arcanine, Pikachu, ... Items)

     

    <r><QUOTE author="JackieLife"><s>

    </s><POST content="176040"><s></s>176040<e></e></POST> 130 charizard<e>
    </e></QUOTE>

    added. end is 5.06.2016, 17:00 UTC+2 (If Rule 1: 6.06.2016, 5:00 UTC+2)<br/>

     

    <QUOTE author="Cloudx"><s>

    </s><POST content="176055"><s></s>176055<e></e></POST> 50k arcanine<br/>

    50k pikachu<br/>

    25k granbull<br/>

    Q: Do you accept arcanine mount?<e>

    </e></QUOTE>

     

    added. end is 5.06.2016, 17:00 UTC+2 (If Rule 1: 6.06.2016, 5:00 UTC+2)<br/>

    i dont need an arcanine mount.</r>

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