Arlington Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <t>Bisharp deserve to be S Rank , too good</t> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frrf Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <r><QUOTE author="arlington" post_id="397698" time="1497456372" user_id="619377"><s></s> Bisharp deserve to be S Rank , too good <e></e></QUOTE> any kind of arguments would be apreciated i guess</r> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <t>Name : Krookodile<br/> Current tier : B<br/> Desired tier : B+<br/> Reason : i think this guy should be at mandibuzz place , here are a few reasons . His play style is unpredictable , it can be either defensive stealth rock or offensive rock , moxie scarf or indimidate scarf . This thing survives 3 hit from excadrill with impish indimidate while ohko back , same for tyranitar . Espeacially for the stealth rock set , it's fast naturally so it can taunt to prevent the opposing mon to set yup their own , has access to knock off , predict a switch and knock off an item . Or being so threatening with choice scarf moxie . Not like mandibuzz , it's tanky tho but the only think mandibuzz can do is toxic stall , defog , and all of those will not be a problem with 1 taunt , then mandibuzz may become a set up bait for opposing mons.</t> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr3y Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <t>After seeing what people said about Alakazam and using the mon myself, I'll move it up to the A rank. With the addition of Focus Blast, Magic Guard, and Life Orb, this mon is very difficult to switch into. It 2hkos Blissey upon switch in, Ohkos Tyranitar upon switch in, etc. The addition of Energy Ball can be helpful for Alakazam as well. It is a nice tech for pokemon such as Gastrodon, Swampert, Azumarill, and others but it is rather unorthodox and can be inferior to other useful moves such as Taunt and Signal Beam. I will also move Krookodile up one rank. Thanks ^^</t> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr3y Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <r><QUOTE author="TR3Y" post_id="88385" time="1453025239" user_id="4097"><s></s> <CENTER><s></s><IMG src="https://i.imgur.com/2JW9Hx5.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></CENTER> Welcome to the Pokémon Revolution Online (PRO) viability rankings, where all usable Pokémon are ranked into tiers according to their usage and viability in our current metagame. The viability rankings categorizes PRO's most viable Pokémon into four categories: S, A, B, and C, with the most influential Pokémon residing in S rank. Each S rank Pokémon is a threat every team must prepare for and will almost always find its place on many successful teams.<br/> The rankings will be discussed as a community and will be changed once a viable reason for that pokemon to rise or fall in rankings is given.<br/> The main reason this thread exists is to provide knowledge about the current metagame's greatest threats and Pokémon. This list is a great tool to use when building a team.<br/> <br/> <br/> Please fill this form out if you want to discuss a Pokémon's ranking: <SPOILER><s></s>Name:<br/> Current tier:<br/> Desired tier:<br/> Reason:<e></e></SPOILER> <COLOR color="#00BF00"><s></s><U><s></s><SIZE size="180"><s></s>PRO Viability Ranking Tiers List<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><e></e></COLOR><br/> <br/> <br/> <GLOW glow="red"><s>[glow=red]</s><U><s></s><SIZE size="160"><s></s>S rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><e>[/glow]</e></GLOW><br/> <br/> <U><s></s><SIZE size="150"><s></s>S Rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U> <SPOILER><s></s> Azumarill <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/184.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Clefable <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/clefable.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Talonflame <IMG src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/bw/talonflame.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <GLOW glow="red"><s>[glow=red]</s><U><s></s><SIZE size="160"><s></s>A rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><e>[/glow]</e></GLOW><br/> <br/> <U><s></s><SIZE size="150"><s></s>A+ Rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><SPOILER><s></s> Bisharp <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/625.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Dragonite <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/dragonite.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Excadrill <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/530.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Ferrothorn<IMG src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/bw/ferrothorn.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Garchomp <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_shiny/445.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Gengar <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/gengar.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Gliscor <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/gliscor.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Hydreigon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/hydreigon.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Magnezone <IMG src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/bw/magnezone.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Starmie <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/starmie.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Suicune <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/suicune.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Tangrowth <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/tangrowth-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Togekiss <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/togekiss.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Tyranitar <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/tyranitar.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Weavile <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/weavile-f.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <U><s></s><SIZE size="150"><s></s>A rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><br/> <SPOILER><s></s>Alakazam <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/alakazam-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Amoonguss <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/591.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Blaziken <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/blaziken-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Chansey <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/113.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Conkeldurr <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/conkeldurr.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Crawdaunt <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/platinum/normal/crawdaunt.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Dugtrio <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/dugtrio.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Entei <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/entei.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Gyarados <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/gyarados-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Hippowdon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/hippowdon-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Jellicent <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/jellicent.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Jirachi <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/385.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Kingdra <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/kingdra.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Omastar <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/omastar.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Politoed <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/politoed-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Scizor <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/scizor-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Skarmory <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/skarmory.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Slowbro <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/slowbro.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Snorlax <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/snorlax.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Staraptor <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/staraptor-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Volcarona <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/637.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <U><s></s><SIZE size="150"><s></s>A- rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><br/> <SPOILER><s></s>Arcanine <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/arcanine.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Blissey <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/heartgold-soulsilver/normal/blissey.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Breloom <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/breloom.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Donphan <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/donphan-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Galvantula <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/galvantula.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Gastrodon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/gastrodon-west.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Goodra <IMG src="https://orig01.deviantart.net/ea3b/f/2014/324/1/f/goodra__qc__by_falgaia-d7qa7o9.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Klefki <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/x-y/pixel/klefki.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Lucario <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/lucario.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Machamp <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/machamp.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Mamoswine <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/mamoswine-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Medicham<IMG src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/bw/medicham-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Metagross <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/metagross.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Mew <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/mew.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Milotic <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/milotic.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Poliwrath <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/poliwrath.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Porygon2 <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/porygon2.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Roserade <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/roserade-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Venusaur <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/venusaur-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Weezing <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen4/hgss/110.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <GLOW glow="red"><s>[glow=red]</s><U><s></s><SIZE size="160"><s></s>B rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><e>[/glow]</e></GLOW><br/> <br/> <U><s></s><SIZE size="150"><s></s>B+ rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U> <SPOILER><s></s>Alomomola <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/alomomola.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Celebi <IMG src="https://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen4/hgss/251.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Cloyster <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/cloyster.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Dusknoir <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/dusknoir.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Empoleon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/empoleon.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Haxorus <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/haxorus.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Heracross <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/heracross-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Jolteon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/heartgold-soulsilver/normal/jolteon.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Kabutops <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/kabutops.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Krookodile <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/krookodile.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Lanturn<IMG src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/bw/lanturn.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Ludicolo <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/ludicolo-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Mandibuzz <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/mandibuzz.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Salamence <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/salamence.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Swampert <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/swampert.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Tentacruel <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/tentacruel.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <U><s></s><SIZE size="150"><s></s>B rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><br/> <SPOILER><s></s>Ambipom <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/ambipom.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Bronzong<IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/bronzong.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Chandelure <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/chandelure.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Dusclops <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/dusclops.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Electivire <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/electivire.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Forretress <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/forretress.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Gallade <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/gallade.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Honchkrow <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/honchkrow.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Ninetails <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/ninetales.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Sableye <IMG src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/bw/sableye.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Umbreon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/umbreon.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <SIZE size="150"><s></s><U><s></s>B- rank<e></e></U><e></e></SIZE> <SPOILER><s></s>Avalugg <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/x-y/pixel/avalugg.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Cofagrigus <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/cofagrigus.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Florges <IMG src="https://www.pokestadium.com/assets/img/sprites/misc/pokesho/florges.gif"><s></e></IMG><br/> Frosslass <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/froslass.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Gardevoir <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/gardevoir.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Rhyperior <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/rhyperior-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Steelix <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/steelix-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Vaporeon <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/vaporeon.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <GLOW glow="red"><s>[glow=red]</s><U><s></s><SIZE size="160"><s></s>C rank<e></e></SIZE><e></e></U><e>[/glow]</e></GLOW><br/> <br/> <SIZE size="150"><s></s><U><s></s>C+ rank<e></e></U><e></e></SIZE> <SPOILER><s></s>Absol <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/absol.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Blastoise <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/blastoise.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Crobat <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/crobat.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Drapion <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/drapion.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Miltank <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/miltank.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Quagsire <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/quagsire-f.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Seismitoad <IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/seismitoad.png"><s></e></IMG><br/> Slowking<IMG src="https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/slowking.png"><s></e></IMG><e></e></SPOILER> <br/> <CENTER><s></s><U><s></s>Thank you for reading! If you think I missed a Pokémon and/or its current tier is wrong then please give us your feedback using the form provided. While doing this please try not to bash other people's opinions.<e></e></U><e></e></CENTER> <e></e></QUOTE></r> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorogumo Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <r><QUOTE author="TR3Y" post_id="403405" time="1498662324" user_id="4097"><s></s> After seeing what people said about Alakazam and using the mon myself, I'll move it up to the A rank. With the addition of Focus Blast, Magic Guard, and Life Orb, this mon is very difficult to switch into. It 2hkos Blissey upon switch in, Ohkos Tyranitar upon switch in, etc. The addition of Energy Ball can be helpful for Alakazam as well. It is a nice tech for pokemon such as Gastrodon, Swampert, Azumarill, and others but it is rather unorthodox and can be inferior to other useful moves such as Taunt and Signal Beam. I will also move Krookodile up one rank. Thanks ^^ <e></e></QUOTE> I'd like to think my private message didn't go completely wasted then. I guess I no longer need to edit the post I previously reserved for Alakazam. I just got lazy and PM'd you a quicker version of what it would have been. <E>:Sleeping:</E> Thank you for all your work!<br/> <br/> I've heard that some Pokémon finally got moves they didn't have, but are supposed to learn on their own. I wonder if Shell Smash on the likes of Carracosta or Barbaracle is one of them. There are a lot of moves that could put some Pokémon on the list.</r> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr3y Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <r><QUOTE author="Jorogumo" post_id="403468" time="1498672933" user_id="1005780"><s></s> <QUOTE author="TR3Y" post_id="403405" time="1498662324" user_id="4097"><s></s> After seeing what people said about Alakazam and using the mon myself, I'll move it up to the A rank. With the addition of Focus Blast, Magic Guard, and Life Orb, this mon is very difficult to switch into. It 2hkos Blissey upon switch in, Ohkos Tyranitar upon switch in, etc. The addition of Energy Ball can be helpful for Alakazam as well. It is a nice tech for pokemon such as Gastrodon, Swampert, Azumarill, and others but it is rather unorthodox and can be inferior to other useful moves such as Taunt and Signal Beam. I will also move Krookodile up one rank. Thanks ^^ <e></e></QUOTE> I'd like to think my private message didn't go completely wasted then. I guess I no longer need to edit the post I previously reserved for Alakazam. I just got lazy and PM'd you a quicker version of what it would have been. <E>:Sleeping:</E> Thank you for all your work!<br/> <br/> I've heard that some Pokémon finally got moves they didn't have, but are supposed to learn on their own. I wonder if Shell Smash on the likes of Carracosta or Barbaracle is one of them. There are a lot of moves that could put some Pokémon on the list. <e></e></QUOTE> What private message? :O</r> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorogumo Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <r><QUOTE author="TR3Y" post_id="403507" time="1498680408" user_id="4097"><s></s> <QUOTE author="Jorogumo" post_id="403468" time="1498672933" user_id="1005780"><s></s> <QUOTE author="TR3Y" post_id="403405" time="1498662324" user_id="4097"><s></s> After seeing what people said about Alakazam and using the mon myself, I'll move it up to the A rank. With the addition of Focus Blast, Magic Guard, and Life Orb, this mon is very difficult to switch into. It 2hkos Blissey upon switch in, Ohkos Tyranitar upon switch in, etc. The addition of Energy Ball can be helpful for Alakazam as well. It is a nice tech for pokemon such as Gastrodon, Swampert, Azumarill, and others but it is rather unorthodox and can be inferior to other useful moves such as Taunt and Signal Beam. I will also move Krookodile up one rank. Thanks ^^ <e></e></QUOTE> I'd like to think my private message didn't go completely wasted then. I guess I no longer need to edit the post I previously reserved for Alakazam. I just got lazy and PM'd you a quicker version of what it would have been. <E>:Sleeping:</E> Thank you for all your work!<br/> <br/> I've heard that some Pokémon finally got moves they didn't have, but are supposed to learn on their own. I wonder if Shell Smash on the likes of Carracosta or Barbaracle is one of them. There are a lot of moves that could put some Pokémon on the list. <e></e></QUOTE> What private message? :O <e></e></QUOTE> Did you never get it? I was wondering why you didn't reply! Ugh... Give me a sec, I'll PM you again!</r> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <t>Name : Breloom <br/> Current tier : A-<br/> Desired tier : A (at poliwarth spot)<br/> Reason : First off , this thing has access to Spore , 100% acc to put a pokemon to sleep . Second , it has Sword dance , and just to mention how dangerous this thing is , it sweep almost the entire rain (except dragonite )as it kills omastar , kabutops , floatzel .... and the most powerful sand combo tyrant + exca with mach punch after 1 boost + life orb , 1kho suicune , bisharp , magnezone , azumarill , hydreigon , chansey , blissey , crawdaunt and many more threats . To be fairly honest with spore , that's not hard to do , the only reason prevent this dangerous mushroom to be S rank is that its terrible typing and suffer from 4 slot movepool , it's frail and almost can't switch in anything but resisted hit from average attackers . Still , if you play around it and clear the way , this thing is fairly dangerous . It deserves to be at the spot that some pokemon in the upper tier doesn't .</t> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorogumo Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.97_2 <t>Pokémon can go up and down in the list without necessarily taking another Pokémon's spot. Also, Poliwrath is in A-, which is the same tier as Breloom.<br/> <br/> First of all, Breloom doesn't OHKO Floatzel or even Omastar with Mach Punch (who uses Floatzel anyway?). Here are some calculations:<br/> Breloom vs Omastar: 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 234-276 (83.2 - 98.2%)<br/> Breloom vs Floatzel: 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Floatzel: 226-266 (72.6 - 85.5%)<br/> <br/> No one is going to allow Breloom to Mach Punch when it's obvious that it'll result in a kill. Breloom's spore can be stopped by Tangrowth (which is on many sand teams), Amoonguss, Venusaur, which can all hurt him back with HP Fire, while Breloom won't be able to deal any significant damage to them. In Tangrowth's case, Regenerator invalidates any kind of damage even more, especially when running a fully physically defensive set. Assuming an Adamant nature, Breloom also only does about 55% damage to Kingdra with Mach Punch. The omnipresent Clefable, even with a Calm nature, survives a Bullet Seed and comfortably OHKOs Breloom back. On top of this, Breloom loses to a lot of top threats, mostly Talonflame, Gengar (free switch in on a predicted Mach Punch and easy OHKO with Sludge Wave), Togekiss, Volcarona (with Flame Body threatening to burn Breloom on a Mach Punch and Lum Berry to cure Spore and put the opponent in a bad situation, not knowing whether Volcarona will Quiver Dance or kill Breloom to avoid another Spore), etc. You also didn't mention Breloom's abysmal speed tier. The priority move argument doesn't hold, when a lot of Pokémon can easily take a Mach Punch or are immune to it, while being faster and able to OHKO Breloom back. Breloom's STAB combination fails to threaten flying-type, poison-type, and bug-type Pokémon. It is unable to break past a lot of Pokémon that are in the same tier: defensive Arcanine with Initimidate, Donphan, Weezing, Roserade, and Venusaur (the latter two can't even be put to sleep). Even Alakazam (which was B+ and is now A) can shrug off Mach Punch and OHKO Breloom back. Breloom can take residual damage from Life Orb, as well as chip damage from Rough Skin and Iron Barbs.<br/> <br/> I'd like to compare Breloom to another Pokémon in A with the same base attack (130) and the same ability (Technician): Scizor. Scizor's typing is, defensively, a lot better than Breloom's. Scizor has more versatility, as it can choose between a Choice Band set and a SD+Roost set, as well as an offensive set, a bulkier set, and a defensive set with Defog. Toxic Heal+Toxic Orb sets are nowhere to be seen (no Substitute) and Focus Sash sets are uncommon (lead Breloom?), so it will almost always run Life Orb, Spore, Swords Dance, Mach Punch, and Bullet Seed. Yes, Breloom can forego a move and run a rock-type coverage, but that requires prediction, which is made harder by the absence of team preview. I see here a lack of versatility in Breloom's case, as opposed to Scizor. Both Pokémon have a poor STAB combination, completely walled by certain types or dual types (which is why they are not ranked higher). While Scizor can be trapped by Magnezone and easily removed from the game, it can just pivot in and out, in order to scout for the enemy team's Pokémon (and a potential Magnezone) with U-turn. With enough investment in HP and Sp. Def., Scizor will always survive HP fire from Choice Scarf Timid Magnezone and use either U-turn or Superpower. Scizor can resist a lot of hits, on top of being able to use Roost and Swords Dance more reliably, while Breloom's only perk over Scizor (Spore) is, in my opinion, not enough to warrant a rise to the same tier as Scizor.</t> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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