Petition to Unban Greninja from Ranked OU PvP

[Shadow2054]

The answer to beating tapus and magearna is shedninja

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Shadow2054

[Shadow2054]

11 minutes ago, shunsou said:

what the problem with spikes? is it the move that make ninja a broken pokemon? what about stealth rock diancie, azelf, accelgor?

you can always removes hazard with spinner or defoger after kill the setter or just take same hazard to your opponent and rush them to defog it. unless you scared your team die because 1 spike and auto defog in same time when they have serperior/bisharp then i will not fight any argue about it. i dont get why hazard move for sweeper poke make it broken. just need to know the correct time to do and all good. 1 spike wont make all ur your die especially when you have levitate and flying in ur team,  and that always. i bet it is always

so so so, according to what ive read, defoggers / spinners get beaten / pressured by ninja. as a result, they are not allowed to defog / spin on gren. Azelf is a suicide setter, so it usually dies right after setting. Diancie cannot pressure Rotom and Skarmory ( without hp fire) maybe theres more. Accelgor is just a weak spatker in general. However, Greninja can pressure these common defoggers and spinners with strength and coverage. Hence, yes.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Shadow2054

[Shunsou]

2 minutes ago, Shadow2054 said:

so so so, according to what ive read, defoggers / spinners get beaten / pressured by ninja. as a result, they are not allowed to defog / spin on gren. Azelf is a suicide setter, so it usually dies right after setting. Diancie cannot pressure Rotom and Skarmory ( without hp fire) maybe theres more. Accelgor is just a weak spatker in general. However, Greninja can pressure these common defoggers and spinners with strength and coverage.

is it a must to defog infront greninja? can you just try to kill it first with volt switch pursuit or something faster or anything prio? also if you know there a greninja in your oppo's team, isnt it is just about what poke you will use to lead?

yes azelf is lead, ninja spike can lead? or can azelf play like ninja style? azelf not deadly enough? i think so many defoger or spinner cant stay in front azelf

[Shadow2054]

2 minutes ago, shunsou said:

is it a must to defog infront greninja? can you just try to kill it first with volt switch pursuit or something faster or anything prio? also if you know there a greninja in your oppo's team, isnt it is just about what poke you will use to lead?

yes azelf is lead, ninja spike can lead? or can azelf play like ninja style? azelf not deadly enough? i think so many defoger or spinner cant stay in front azelf

well yes, removing the ninja from the field from the option, but before that happens, you will be taking constant damage from spikes? It depends on the azelf set, a flamethrower azelf can beat skarm, but not a knock off one.

[Shunsou]

1 minute ago, Shadow2054 said:

well yes, removing the ninja from the field from the option, but before that happens, you will be taking constant damage from spikes? It depends on the azelf set, a flamethrower azelf can beat skarm, but not a knock off one.

actually, that was my point. when you use a sweeper to set hazard, you cant defog or spin infront of it, isnt it exactly same case between ninja and azelf? ninja can u-turn and so azelf, it even can explode ifront your defogers, it has high movespool, can set hazard and hits hard. maybe you just never meets sweeper azelf style with hazard. indeed its a legendary that not all people have it with that epic stats or even maybe they dont have at all or only known as lead poke or so underatted sweeper hazard.

and ofc hazard will deals damage when you switch in another poke, but if you can trade, will you do it? or maybe you can predict his next poke to kill first. any rotoms wont survive 2x life orb psychic azelf unless its calm rotom or you can just explode infront this thing no? that something even ninja cant do

[Princekashyap]

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[Shadow2054]

1 hour ago, shunsou said:

actually, that was my point. when you use a sweeper to set hazard, you cant defog or spin infront of it, isnt it exactly same case between ninja and azelf? ninja can u-turn and so azelf, it even can explode ifront your defogers, it has high movespool, can set hazard and hits hard. maybe you just never meets sweeper azelf style with hazard. indeed its a legendary that not all people have it with that epic stats or even maybe they dont have at all or only known as lead poke or so underatted sweeper hazard.

and ofc hazard will deals damage when you switch in another poke, but if you can trade, will you do it? or maybe you can predict his next poke to kill first. any rotoms wont survive 2x life orb psychic azelf unless its calm rotom or you can just explode infront this thing no? that something even ninja cant do

Well, you can always switch a ghost or a resistance into explosion unless the azelf is smart and predicts well. Also kinda forgot azelf has taunt so defogging on azelf is impossible anyway unless you are using a scarfed defog or get the starmie speed tie. (if adzelf explodes, there is no target and hence defog / spin fails)

Edited May 3, 2021 by Shadow2054

[Yashboss21]

+1

[Iammeetdp]

11 hours ago, Cyanirl said:

Dude thats nuts, Why are you treating greninja as the only mon who can learn hidden power. Surely ninja hits more strongly with protean, but it cant pick up 0hkos yet anyway. Any special mon can do the very same as ninja can. An infernape (for example) with Close Combat, Hp Grass, Thunder punch and Flare blitz would do the very same thing, that is picking up 2hkos ( like ninja) on all those mons.

[Iammeetdp]

11 hours ago, 0danobunaga said:

In 2018, Eaty started to code Protean but froakie only available in Summer event. In 2019, staff made Lake Cave and make the Froakie available and people started to hunt at there until now. And Player use Greninja's move in PvP which are Water Shuriken(new player use it), Low Kick, Gunk Shot, Surf, Ice Beam, Hidden Power Fire, U-turn,Grass Knot (too less people use it), Shadow Sneak, Dark Pulse and Extrasensory  because mega no exists yet and majority to kill Chansey,Ferrothorn and Conkeldurr.  In 2020, PvP players already experienced with using Spike, Hidden Power grass and Ice Beam to make pressure almost of defogger as well as check. Even player don't have Hp Grass but player still can use U-turn to make momentum from switching. Even Scarf Protean Greninja also exists as well which is using Rock Slide, Gunk Shot, U-turn and Ice Beam. And now, we have Mega Evolution in game. It can pair with good Mega Pokemon such as Mega Metagross, Mega Medicham, Mega Alakazam, Mega Lopunny  and almost of Offensive Pokemon such as Keldeo(popular pokemon), Serperior Contrary (to get Evasion boost from Defog if people want to Defog Spike), Bisharp Defiant(to get Attack boost from Defog if people want to Defog Spike). 

 

Why it banned? Due to unexpected move from Greninja Protean. And we not only fight one opponent which is only use Low Kick, Gunk Shot, Ice Beam and Extrasensory/Surf move but we can't predict what move will coming from other opponents.

Before post this thread, try to some research due to lack of informations. And Greninja Protean will be unbanned after we get many generation 7 pokemon. 
 

Thats excatly my point Mr. Oda

I find it completely unfair to ban a mon just because its unpredictable. What do you want the pvp to be? a childs game ( I mean pokemon was made for kids soo maybe...) Predicting has been an intensive part of pvp and will always be, just taking away a mon bcs it can learn 14 different moves is unfair. It will always be limited by something due to its 4 move syndrome. Finding different players with different ninja sets sounded like a lazy excuse, what do you want , all the pokes to run their staple moveset soo you can always know whats coming?

 

I respect you as a player and I am thankful you showed up here! Have a good day.