Paulwg Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The effort is appreciated but it is not what PRO needs. It's not what you need because you have more than enough money to use the subway even without this pass. Poor players needed this though because it helps them to avoid npc rebattles that way; which is one of the most annoying and hated things in PRO. Without a cheaper way to travel they would feel like they had to travel by foot instead and they'd have to rebattle so many npcs to get where they want to go. That makes the players annoyed and unhappy with this game and as a result they would constantly complain about it to their friends and others around them telling them how much they hate it. Then they might compare the game to other games and say this is the only game that forces you to fight npc over and over again. So making the subway and trains cheaper helps to deal with that problem and will make many players happy. Like i said forced npc re-battles against low level trainers is one of the most hated and annoying things in PRO. A cheaper way to travel allows poor players to avoid that more easily. You were happy before because you could avoid it because you have the money to avoid it. Poor players were forced to either put up with it or quit the game since they didnt have the money to keep using the subway and trains. Since I bought the subway pass, I'm enjoying the game much more now. I can just come and go to any city I want to in seconds and if i feel like visiting another region I can do that easily also. I'm loving it and I'm sure many other players feel the same as I do. Some rich players don't really care about what the poor players want and what makes them happy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prehax Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 351136 It's not what you need because you have more than enough money to use the subway even without this pass. The subway is meant to be a money sink/something luxury for people who have the money. 351136 Poor players needed this though because it helps them to avoid npc rebattles that way paradox a seemingly absurd or contradictory statement or proposition which when investigated may prove to be well founded or true. If you still not get, what's the point in avoiding NPC battles if you are poor, it is a easy way to get quick cash. 351136 which is one of the most annoying and hated things in PRO. That is your POV certainly not mine, we have way more annoying things in PRO. I would like to add that they even pokemon to skip "high npc" routes. 351136 Without a cheaper way to travel they would feel like they had to travel by foot instead and they'd have to rebattle so many npcs to get where they want to go Indeed that is true but with more NPC's = more cash for yourself. This is a MMO and not some "easy/cheap" game. 351136 That makes the players annoyed and unhappy with this game and as a result they would constantly complain about it to their friends and others around them telling them how much they hate it. Then they might compare the game to other games and say this is the only game that forces you to fight npc over and over again I personally never experienced someone constantly complaining about the NPC system in this game and I met a lot of people. 351136 So making the subway and trains cheaper helps to deal with that problem and will make many players happy It does help a lot for poor players but sooner than alter you will maybe realize I am against this whole thing. (just a hint: google inflation and money sinks OR read my comments) 351136 A cheaper way to travel allows poor players to avoid that more easily. "cheaper way to travel" = makes the only real money sink less efficient and ask yourself why you are a "poor" player, do you spent enough time, do you waste your money without thinking about it? I personally never understood how people with 500hours or even more are broke all the time. 351136 You were happy before because you could avoid it because you have the money to avoid it. I battle every NPC if I encounter them because it takes me like 10 seconds and it is freecash. 351136 Poor players were forced to either put up with it or quit the game since they didnt have the money to keep using the subway and trains People are leaving this game for other reasons not because the only money sink we have is "too expensive". 351136 Since I bought the subway pass, I'm enjoying the game much more now. ^agree, the game is way more enjoyable until we see people complaining why their money is nothing worth and prices are rising ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 351136 I'm loving it and I'm sure many other players feel the same as I do. I am glad that you do enjoy the game even more now :) 351136 Some rich players don't really care about what the poor players want and what makes them happy though. I said it before but honestly, there is no reason to be "poor" in this game, the amount of ways to make easy cash in this game is absurd, I'll pm you a list if you want to know. I guess I covered everything in your post and to make this not an "offtopic, non related post" ____ The whole concept of this Transit pass is to help "poor"-players, make traveling more enjoyable, make trades/daycare stuff easier but honestly this is just some sort of excuse. This pass makes this game easier/cheaper and this shouldn't be the case, this is a MMO. I simply don't get the point why this got implemented besides knowing that the economy on yellow for example is already pretty messed up. There was no reason to lower a money sink when the prices are already high, this will just result in more money on the server -> even higher prices (inflation) and this will result in "poor"-players complaining about prices again. I am not spreading my toxicity or negativity towards anyone, it just a fact that nobody from the staff team even mentioned the inflation by now, pretty funny to me honestly. 350641 TLDR: Weekly ticket will help for inflation and will generally help people travelling around such as daycares and sellers. This still makes no sense, you do realize that inflation is something we don't want right? ♦ Spawn-Changelog ♦ | ♦ Pokémon Spawn related - Suggestions | Feedback | Requests ♦ ♦ Paradox Guild ♦ random number generation An acronym for "random number generator" or "random number generation", it refers to the process by which computers generate apparently random numbers, essentially the computer equivalent of 'chance'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulwg Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 351256 The subway is meant to be a money sink/something luxury for people who have the money. It's not free so it is still a money sink. That hasn't changed. It's just a bit cheaper now and players will be able to use it a lot more freely now if they bought the monthly pass. If you still not get, what's the point in avoiding NPC battles if you are poor, it is a easy way to get quick cash. with more NPC's = more cash for yourself. This is a MMO and not some "easy/cheap" game. Offering players a reduced price for the subway isn't forcing them to buy the ticket. They still have the choice to fight those trainers if they want too and not buy the weekly ticket. The thing is, what you're suggesting is that they make the price higher thereby removing their choice to avoid these trainers because eventually their money will run out if they keep using the subway at $2,500 to $5,000 a trip and then they'll be forced to fight them to get to their destination. With the weekly subway ticket they can use it as much as they want too and they will always have the choice to fight or not fight npc rebattles. If they agree with you that the money and exp you get from npc rebattles is worth it then they can fight them but if they disagree then it will be easier for them to avoid these battles. They deserve to have a right to choose whether they want to fight those npcs or skip over them. Stop trying to take that choice away from them by asking for higher prices that they can't afford to pay. I would like to add that they even pokemon to skip "high npc" routes. I know about those pokemon. They just teleport you a short distance. In my opinion that's also a waste of money because if you are traveling all over the region and going back and forth a lot then you would have to keep using those teleport pokemon and paying the fee every single time. For rich players thats not a problem but for poorer players it's not worth the cost to cross such a small distance. It's one idea they had to solve the problem of npc rebattles but obviously they felt it just wasn't good enough and that's why the weekly subway pass was created; as a better solution to avoiding npc rebattles. I battle every NPC if I encounter them because it takes me like 10 seconds and it is freecash. It takes far longer than just 10 seconds. just the animation where they pause, walk up to you, and talk is probably longer than that and that's just from one trainer. There are dozens that you have to get through sometimes to get to where you want to go. Then some of the trainers might have 5 or 6 pokemon on their team for you to fight before you have to fight the next one. People are leaving this game for other reasons not because the only money sink we have is "too expensive". You talked to every player who quit the game and they told you what their reason for leaving was? No? Then you shouldn't be saying why they're not leaving the game and that none has ever left for that reason. A number of players have complained about not being able to use fly outside of battle and having to pay for a subway instead. So yeah some are unhappy with it. Is it enough to make them quit? idk. Maybe, maybe not. I don't think you should assume to know what everyone's reason for quitting is though. The main annoyance about the high price of the subway is it meant they had to fight all those npcs to get where they wanted to go. I don't think they would mind walking as much if the npc rebattles didn't exist but it is a problem so that's why the weekly subway ticket was created; to help deal with that problem that so many players have been complaining about for so long now. I'm actually proud of PRO for listening to players who complained about npc rebattles and making an effort to fix this problem. They should be praised for that and not insulted and criticized for making an effort to make the poor players time on PRO a bit easier and less stressful for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sesshomaru Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Im twisted about the ticket as well. People who travelled more than worth of 100k will buy it cause its worth it. People who travelled less than 100k worth in the past wont buy it, cause for them its still cheaper to pay for a single ride. That as a result will lead to only People using it who travelled more anyways or People who were on the edge Close to 100k and now its worth for them cause they can do a lot more free rides. Which leads as already mentioned to less of a Money sink and not to a new moneysink. Which is in consideration of the development of Prices in each Server questionable. Inflation, moneysinks (like this ticket) are Close tied to each other, so i dont see why it cant be discussed here as Long its civil. Yeah Players who travel a lot are happy about this ticket and so would i if i would Play right now, but in the bigger picture it might lead to Problems. This has nothing to do with not worshipping biaos work however, he did a great Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 351136 The effort is appreciated but it is not what PRO needs. they'd have to rebattle so many npcs to get where they want to go. Good point actually. With the transport ticket, players are no longer forced to battle NPCs and that results in less money generated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadstorm Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 how about adding this to golden rod and teleportation place in hoenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teerav Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Loving the new transit pass, thank you for this! I have a few suggestions... Add an icon at the top left of the screen similar to membership and XP boost. I fear I might not notice when it runs out and will end up paying for a few transits when I could simply buy another pass. That's it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulwg Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 351437 how about adding this to golden rod and teleportation place in hoenn This weekly transit pass will also allow you to travel as much as you want too with no extra cost to you, in the Johto and Hoenn regions. I've used the transit pass there already and I didn't get charged one pokedollar for it. I just wish that there was a subway in every pokecenter in Kanto. For example, a couple of the pokecenters that I noticed that don't have subway access are the one that's next to the mt moon cave entrance and the one by the rock tunnel. It'd be nice if there was something for teleporting to the item maniac area as well that way we don't have to go through all those trainers to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 It'd be nice if there was something for teleporting to the item maniac area as well that way we don't have to go through all those trainers to get there. Use the other regions' Item Maniacs or go via surfing from the left side of nugget bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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