PRO Viability Tier List [Updated on December 27, 2018]

[Eltyyy]

• Greninja: S or A+? S
  
• Rotom-Heat: A or A-? A-
  
• Azelf: A or A-? A
  
• Conkeldurr: A or A-? A+
  
• Heracross: A or A-? A
  
• Magnezone: A or A-? A
  
• Slowbro: A or A-? A-
  
• Togekiss: A or A-? A
  
• Blissey: A- or B+? B+
  
• Goodra: A- or B+? B+
  
• Reuniclus: A- or B+? A-
  
• Crawdaunt: A- or B+? A+
  
• Venusaur: B+ or B? B
  
• Chandelure: B+ or B? A-
  
• Ludicolo: B+ or B? B+
  
• Snorlax: B+ or B? B
  
• Aerodactyl: B or B-? B
  
• Doublade: B or B-? B-
  

[Imtrippin]

Uxie s+ tier when since trick room is coded (Omegalul)? Nice thread, should be great for those who're new or unexperianced in pvp.

[Dakivid]

Discussion points:

• Greninja: S or A+?
  
• Rotom-Heat: A or A-?
  
• Azelf: A or A-?
  
• Conkeldurr: A or A-?
  
• Heracross: A or A-?
  
• Magnezone: A or A-?
  
• Slowbro: A or A-?
  
• Togekiss: A or A-?
  
• Blissey: A- or B+?
  
• Goodra: A- or B+?
  
• Reuniclus: A- or B+?
  
• Crawdaunt: A- or B+?
  
• Venusaur: B+ or B?
  
• Chandelure: B+ or B?
  
• Ludicolo: B+ or B?
  
• Snorlax: B+ or B?
  
• Aerodactyl: B or B-?
  
• Doublade: B or B-?
  

Greninja -> S

doesn't really have a check, beats Mantine with Gunk Shot/Rock Slide if high attack investment, Gastrodon with Grass Knot, Blissey/Chansey with Low Kick if it has high attack investment. Greninja cannot be predicted, can always be a scarf set aswell, which means thta it deserves S Tier, always.

 

Rotom-Heat -> A-

Gets worn down by Stealth Rocks, has limited recovery in Pain Split, gets outclassed by Rotom-Wash, is not really powerful without Choice Specs which limits its recovery even more.

 

Azelf -> A-

Should have been A before, now it is way worse with so many Dark-types around, Pursuit, many hazards remover, speedy meta with a lot of Priority attacks.

 

Conkeldurr -> A

lives almost every hit, especially the annoying Guts AV set, can heal back up on threats with Drain Punch, the Flame Orb set can be used to break through thick team cores, has a lot of moves it can use, should also see some usage on Trick Room

 

Heracross -> A

powerful Guts abuser, has a nieche set in Scarf Moxie, can 2hko any Pokémon in the current metagame (not set upped), has pretty good special bulk that lets it live a lot of hits like Clefable's Moon Blast/most Scald abusers

 

Magnezone ->A-

even though Ferrothorn is super common, Scarf Magnezone doesn't beat it, specs Magnezone is kind of slow, a choiced set can be walled by Ground type Rotom-Wash/Heatran cores, any other item is bad on it though

 

Slowbro -> B

one of the worst Regenerator mons right now, Weavile, Greninja, Band Tyranitar, Amoonguss with Clear Smog etc are everywhere, that can beat it 1v1.

 

Togekiss -> B+

not a competitve Pokémon, relies on flinch hax, gets walled by Steel/Electric cores easily, many scarf users that dont care about Air Slash. Stallbreaking set might be good when the meta shifts to stall

 

Blissey -> B+

Chansey totally outclasses it, doesn't lose to Lati, Blissey loses to many common threats when rocks are up, scary fighting types are everywhere, doesnt help much in teams in my opinion

 

Goodra -> B+

Very versatile, can run moves to punish defensive cores, only has a few revenge killers that guarenteed ko it, walls common threats like Rotom-Wash, Amoonguss, etc.+

 

Reuniclus -> A

Very scary mon on Trick Room (WHERE IS IT BTW), has two very good abilities in Regen and Magic Guard, can be offensive, defensive, a really good calm mind abuser, only draw back is Focus Miss

 

Crawdaunt -> A+

has no switch in. period. Choice Banded Crawdaunt can two hit ko any mon in the current metagame, has a nieche set in Aerial Ace to beat uncommon mons like Chesnaught

 

Venusaur -> B-

gets outclassed by amoonguss, is a meh sun abuser, doesnt beat rain at all as ice beam is not resisted unlike on ferro, has unreliable recovery unlike Amoonguss

 

Chandelure -> B+

Specs set can be super scary, has Taunt for Life Orb sets to beat stall solely, Calm Mind if it wants to boost up, is immune to common guts mons (facade + fighting move), is immune to mono attacking Heatran

 

Ludicolo -> B

other Rain abuser totally outclass it, needs Life Orb to actually do damage, if specs is used it can be outplayed too easily

 

Snorlax -> B-

too many Ghost types, Taunt user, fighting types around in the metagame that beat it 1v1

 

Aerodactyl -> A-

really solid, fast rocker, has taunt to stop opposing rocks, very underrated in my opinion

 

Doublade -> B-

too many dark types/strong special attacker that beat it 1v1, and it is too weak to hurt back.

[Jorogumo]

Based on the discussion so far (as well as my own personal opinion), I have changed the discussion points of Slowbro from "A or A-?" to "A- or B+?" and Aerodactyl from "B or B-?" to "B+ or B?".

[Coup]

Discussion points:

• Greninja: S or A+?
  
• Rotom-Heat: A or A-?
  
• Azelf: A or A-?
  
• Conkeldurr: A or A-?
  
• Heracross: A or A-?
  
• Magnezone: A or A-?
  
• Slowbro: A or A-?
  
• Togekiss: A or A-?
  
• Blissey: A- or B+?
  
• Goodra: A- or B+?
  
• Reuniclus: A- or B+?
  
• Crawdaunt: A- or B+?
  
• Venusaur: B+ or B?
  
• Chandelure: B+ or B?
  
• Ludicolo: B+ or B?
  
• Snorlax: B+ or B?
  
• Aerodactyl: B or B-?
  
• Doublade: B or B-?
  

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Greninja > S

Rotom Heat > A- or even B+ in my opinion

Azelf > A

Conkeldurr > A

Heracross > A

Magnezone A-

Slowbro > B- in my opinion this mon is totally useless now

Togekiss > A-

Blissey > B+

Goodra > B+

Reuniclus > A-

Crawdaunt > A- or even A

Venusaur > B

Chandelure > B+

Ludicolo > B+

Snorlax > B

Aerodactyl > B+ or even A-

Doublade > B -

 

Would be too long to give a description on every single one,but this is my opinion on it.

I agree with 90% of these suggestion for tier lists by Akalli, it looks like the fairest and most accurate listing, I would just differ in a few points, and the arguments will be based SOLELY on the pro meta!

 

-First I think that Blissey should be even lower than B+ because it is simply outclassed by chansey, and second with the sheer amount of offensive teams we are seeing right now in the meta (Lucario, Heracross etc..) This pokemon is a lot worst than before. The itroduction of moves like drain punch also help make some pokes more viable therefore making this poke even worse

 

-Crawdaunt deserves to be in A+ right now because of the introduction of Trick Room, this poke will simply be busted and run over both stall and offensive teams its going to be extremely difficult to stop under the right circumstances

 

-Aerodactyl should be at around A- because of the current pro meta with a lot of HO teams, and also balanced teams, it serves as probably the best anti lead poke right now, if you run across while you are using HO you will have a hard time for sure

 

I agree with all the other suggestions by akalli this is a very appropriate list!

 

Thanks Joro for your effort your list is excellent and you put a lot of work into it, for me its the most comprehensive list and also it has the input of many very good pvpers :)

 

PS: Poliwrath at S when?

[Theakalli]

 

Yeah your right about Crawdaunt.This mon is really good in the current meta and the addition of trick room makes it just better against offensive type of teams.

Blissey is also accurate,should even be lower,theres no reason to use that trash mon now that crits + eviolite bug is fixed.Chansey is so much better.

[Acyst]

Great job...

[Jorogumo]

I've taken into account all the previous comments as well as this one (from Discord):

• Greninja: S
  
  • Versatile and splashable.
    
  • Perfect coverage. Can beat all its supposed counters. Can 2HKO Chansey if physically offensive with Low Kick after Stealth Rock damage. Can beat Mantine with Rock Slide or Hidden Power Electric. Can beat the likes of Suicune and Poliwrath with Hidden Power Electric, Hidden Power Grass or Grass Knot. Can beat Gastrodon with Hidden Power Grass or Grass Knot. Can beat Ferrothorn with Hidden Power Fire.
    
  • Can U-turn for free, gaining momentum.
    

  [*]Rotom-Heat: A-

  [*]Azelf: A-

  [*]Conkeldurr: A

  [*]Heracross: A

  [*]Magnezone: A-

  [*]Slowbro: B+

  [*]Togekiss: A-

  [*]Blissey: B+

  [*]Goodra: B+

  [*]Reuniclus: A-

  [*]Crawdaunt: A-

  [*]Venusaur: B

  [*]Chandelure: B+

  [*]Ludicolo: B+

  [*]Snorlax: B

  [*]Aerodactyl: B+

  [*]Doublade: B-

Discussion points:

• Kingdra: A or A-?
  
• Weavile: A or A+?
  
• Hippowdon: A- or B+?
  
• Klefki: A- or B+?
  
• Starmie: A- or B+?
  
• Arcanine: B+ or B?
  
• Feraligatr: B+ or B?
  
• Gastrodon: B+ or A-?
  
• Lucario: B+ or A-?
  
• Mamoswine: B+ or A-?
  
• Mantine: B+ or A-?
  
• Omastar: B+ or B?
  
• Serperior: B+ or A-?
  
• Haxorus: B or B+?
  
• Jellicent: B or B-?
  
• Ninetales: B or B-?
  
• Smeargle: B or B-?
  
• Shuckle: B or B-?
  
• Talonflame: B or B-?
  
• Torkoal: B or B-?
  
• Exeggutor: B- or C+?
  
• Victreebel: B- or C+?
  
• Gardevoir: B- or C+?
  

Edited August 9, 2018 by Jorogumo

[Expendable99]

Kingdra - A-

Kingdra shares a lot of the same checks and counters as Gren and with Grens everywhere teams are more prepared to take on rain

Weavile - A

Weavile puts in work every match band hits pretty hard and it's a great revenge killer especially now that it has pursuit. However, it somehow manages to die super quickly every match :(

Hippo - B+

Honestly don't see much use for this mon in a normal sand team Ttar is better and normally there are better rocks setters out there for your team

Klefki - B+

Hyper offense is meh and screens are really predictable and everything it does can pretty much be nullified by a defog which it can't do anything back against. Lacks recovery to be a threat on defensive teams

Starmie - B+

Pursuit being coded makes it difficult for Starmie, lower Gengar usage hurts it, it doesn't have good enough bulk to be a very reliable hazard remover.

Arcanine - B

Offensive sets are weak and the defensive set struggles to beat any attackers if rocks are up, and even without rocks the stuff it beats is pretty limited. Recovery isn't that great, morning sun's pp sucks

Feraligatr - B+

Dragon dance sets aren't that great and it's outclassed by other dragon dancers. It's hard to do anything at all without a dd prior, and even then stuff still beats it. I guess it's not terrible though

Gastrodon - A-

Mon is good and it beats most Gren variants which is hard to do, plus can check other mons that are not named Gren unlike Mantine

Lucario - B+

Meh

Mamo - A-

Good stabs good attack pretty reliable rocker but slow

Mantine - B+

Passive, bad phys def, weak to rocks, Gastro is usually better

Omastar - B

Just use Kingdra it has a better typing and speed

Serp - A-

Mon can be deadly after a leaf storm, has a way to beat most of its checks bar stuff like Amoon. Offensive checks can be crippled with glare, Chansey can be leeched to form a nice hp pool, coverage, while not very good, can still hit dragons and Ferro that resist leaf storm

Haxorus - B

Dragonite is better use dragonite Haxorus's ability doesn't really help it out as a dragon dancer unlike Dnite

Jellicent - B-

There are so many other better bulky waters out there that actually beat things use those

Ninetales - B-

Sun was never good

Smeargle - B

Nice movepool as a suicide lead, susceptible to faster mons taunting it though and can't do anything else besides set hazards and die

Shuckle- B-

No reliable recovery, all it can do is set webs and literally nothing else, better webs setters out there

Talon - B-

Poor birdo can't do anything without reliable priority

Torkoal - B-

Sun was never good

Sun mons - C+

Sun was never good

Gardevoir - C+

So many better psychic types and fairy types that hit harder and are faster don't bother

[Nanoluck]

Nice job, Joro!