Start to change the stall meta ?

[Abygaelle]

Absurd amount but who reaches the top ladder? Not the guys who play 6 stall pokemon for sure.

 

==> Okay i think you should restart the Pvp :). Staller team are in the top ladder ^^

[Cobramk]

PreHax>You cant compare old meta to now ! :))

 

Stall is annoying, like Rain/Sun, people how spam ladder with this just doesnt have life and rekt by all stallbreaker but not everyone love stallbreaker in PRO.

 

But ban stall team will be stupid, i cant pass stall if i play bad but no hard to counter.

[Prehax]

PreHax>You cant compare old meta to now ! :))

 

I am not, the stall from back then was worse than this one given we had limited access to certain items that would have made the meta better.

 

Stall is annoying

I agree, should we ban it now only because it is annoying? No.

[Cobramk]

I am not, the stall from back then was worse than this one given we had limited access to certain items that would have made the meta better.

 

 

I agree, should we ban it now only because it is annoying? No.

Do you know read ? lmaooo

Watch my last sentance. :)

[Smokincatcher]

pretty much agree with aby, so nice to see people with 6 tanks and 0 skill in ladder sometimes :p its so freakin stupid to ban dugtrio in a meta full of blissey/chansey, when staff will stop listen people and understand we are not on showdown's meta??

dugtrio is far from broken, it cant ohko blissey/chansey, and loose often the match up when u get freeze by ice beams! And more than that it requires a bit skill due to his weak defenses and atk. Staff ban stallbreakers and people plays more stall, chansey/blissey are totally broken , u can tank a +1 outrage dragonite , an earthquake from diggersby ada choice band, a knock off + 2 from bisharp ada, and with good physical tanks for covering it takes sometimes very long time to kill the 1st poké this is everything except fun! Tell me another mon with 600+ hp? there isnt! even among all legendaries/megas which blissey is not!!!!

Without forgetting togekiss, this poké is broken in pro, u get flinch 90% time, when a guys kills you a full life calm rotom with a toge scarf only spamming air slash there is something wrong in my opinion.

I hope next coded moves/Ability will help change that, otherwise i hope people will realise we are totally not on showdown , stop want to do the same, its obviously not possible yet we miss so much moves abilities and pokés , if you play some battles in showdown in g7 , you will never see pretty much any togekisses or blissey because so much things can counter them, on showdown in your team buiding you don't necessary must have counters for them, in pro a team without blissey and togekiss counter is totally unthinkable

EDIT i've heard some heatrans spammers asked for ban dugtrio , i really think some on this forum are not really objective, and that is the real problem in my opinion. EDIT

Maybe full stalls are not best teams, and get rekt by hyper offenses, but they cant loose bescause of hax, contrariwise when you plays hyper offenses, a bit of hax can make u loose a lot of points against a person low rank with full tanks even if he have no skill, he dont even need much to think when he have chansey skarmory etc and couple of regens blabla... x)

I dont really think staff will ban blissey chansey togekiss ( people would cry so much and some will stop the game they cant play pvp if they dont have this x) ), but plz dont take decisions to encourage stall, pvp is a lot more pleasant when u face an opponent who shows his skill, not full stall boring team that u need to fight during 30min/1h or sometimes more than 2 hours!!!!!!!! Im a uild leader since pretty much time, some people have and will stop the game because of this kind of meta, some were really good,even myself, sometimes i just dont want to make ranked battle because of some EDIT players, dont want to lose 1h to win 4 rat pts...

Edited June 16, 2018 by Calahan

[Theakalli]

I don't get mad at stall,I get mad because I get haxxed and in my opinion getting mad because of hax is totally normal.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Calahan

[Tr3y]

pretty much agree with aby, so nice to see people with 6 tanks and 0 skill in ladder sometimes :p its so freakin stupid to ban dugtrio in a meta full of blissey/chansey, when staff will stop listen people and understand we are not on showdown's meta??

dugtrio is far from broken, it cant ohko blissey/chansey, and loose often the match up when u get freeze by ice beams! And more than that it requires a bit skill due to his weak defenses and atk. Staff ban stallbreakers and people plays more stall, chansey/blissey are totally broken , u can tank a +1 outrage dragonite , an earthquake from diggersby ada choice band, a knock off + 2 from bisharp ada, and with good physical tanks for covering it takes sometimes very long time to kill the 1st poké this is everything except fun! Tell me another mon with 600+ hp? there isnt! even among all legendaries/megas which blissey is not!!!!

Without forgetting togekiss, this poké is broken in pro, u get flinch 90% time, when a guys kills you a full life calm rotom with a toge scarf only spamming air slash there is something wrong in my opinion.

I hope next coded moves/Ability will help change that, otherwise i hope people will realise we are totally not on showdown , stop want to do the same, its obviously not possible yet we miss so much moves abilities and pokés , if you play some battles in showdown in g7 , you will never see pretty much any togekisses or blissey because so much things can counter them, on showdown in your team buiding you don't necessary must have counters for them, in pro a team without blissey and togekiss counter is totally unthinkable

EDIT i've heard some heatrans spammers asked for ban dugtrio , i really think some on this forum are not really objective, and that is the real problem in my opinion. EDIT

Maybe full stalls are not best teams, and get rekt by hyper offenses, but they cant loose bescause of hax, contrariwise when you plays hyper offenses, a bit of hax can make u loose a lot of points against a person low rank with full tanks even if he have no skill, he dont even need much to think when he have chansey skarmory etc and couple of regens blabla... x)

I dont really think staff will ban blissey chansey togekiss ( people would cry so much and some will stop the game they cant play pvp if they dont have this x) ), but plz dont take decisions to encourage stall, pvp is a lot more pleasant when u face an opponent who shows his skill, not full stall boring team that u need to fight during 30min/1h or sometimes more than 2 hours!!!!!!!! Im a uild leader since pretty much time, some people have and will stop the game because of this kind of meta, some were really good,even myself, sometimes i just dont want to make ranked battle because of some EDIT players, dont want to lose 1h to win 4 rat pts...

Nobody really cares.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Calahan

[Prehax]

Do you know read ? lmaooo

Wasn't referring to you with that last sentence, but sure. Don't take offense.

 

dugtrio is far from broken, it cant ohko blissey/chansey, and loose often the match up when u get freeze by ice beams!

Dugtrio is literally a Blissey/Chansey counter.

 

Maybe full stalls are not best teams, and get rekt by hyper offenses, but they cant loose bescause of hax, contrariwise when you plays hyper offenses, a bit of hax can make u loose a lot of points against a person low rank with full tanks even if he have no skill, he dont even need much to think when he have chansey skarmory etc and couple of regens blabla... x)

Play better, have better teams and RNG is and always will be a part of pokemon you can't control that.

 

I dont really think staff will ban blissey chansey togekiss ( people would cry so much and some will stop the game they cant play pvp if they dont have this x) )

They won't ban it either. I can tell you that much, most of the staff who made those decisions are actually good at PVP.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Calahan

[Abygaelle]

Play better, have better teams and RNG is and always will be a part of pokemon you can't control that.

 

Sure but RNG is a big problem on PRO, it is completely bug. % of crit/flinch/freeze are not the same like in other game ! Play who play togekiss got big advantage, this is not fair and go destroy the pro pvp community.

[Imtrippin]

It's fun how all the "arguments" for accually banning these pokemon aren't even true and have a serious lack of logic which was replaced by saltiness. As I already said, countering stall is pretty easy and especially in a game without team preview. You can literally just instantly put up rocks, make the opponent defog and then proceed to switch in bisharp and sweep. If there's anything in pokemon competetive that "doesn't require skill" it's how players abuse the fact that there's no team preview. The same goes for arena trap. There's simply no counterplay at the moment since we can't inspect the opponents' teams. In my oppinion if there's any team archetype that's easy to beat then it's stall, just because how easy it is to weaken the walls, the lack of Mega Sableye and other strong defensive walls that are in showdown. You keep talking about how staff listens to a few "noobs who cry" which leads them to ban away actual overpowered pokemon but in fact it's them just mimicing how real competetive pokemon works and it's YOU who are crying about something easy to counter instead of getting better at the game and figuring out how to easily counter these 3 pokemon.

 

 

Edit: Oh and I also forgot to mention one of the most important reasons why stall is accually not that great in pro which is the lack of unaware. The ability unaware is along with mega sableye what lets stall stand somewhat of a chance against hyper offensive teams. But with these gone there's just nothing that playstyle can do about high pressure teams such as HO.