Jorogumo

Hello, I'm interested in that Ninetales!

Hey, @Qeight! No, not really, because, as far as I'm aware, there haven't really been updates since the last time I edited the list.

Added Manaphy to A+.

Added Hidden Power Grass and Hidden Power Electric options to the Choice Specs Kingdra set.

Added an Assault Vest set to Azumarill. Added a Passho Berry option to the Timid Volcarona set.

Moved Gyarados from A- to B+ (mostly due to the rise in usage of Ferrothorn and Rotom-Wash).

Added an Assault Vest set to Metagross.

Yes! Jorogumo#1523

I'd like to buy that Mantine for 400k, please.

I've taken into account all the previous comments: Azumarill: A+ Gengar: A- Mew: A- Kabutops: B+ Diggersby: A- Espeon: C+ Xatu: C+

List updated. Additions: Added a Chople Berry option to the Ferrothorn set and the Relaxed Tyranitar set. Added Quagsire to B, Uxie to B, Shedinja to B-, Registeel to C, Beheeyem to C-, Mesprit to C-, Regice to C- and Regirock to C-. Added Trick Room sets to Bronzong, Cofagrigus, Porygon2, Reuniclus and Uxie. Rises: Moved Magneton from C- to C. I decided not to include Trick Room-specific natures to Pokémon like Crawdaunt (Brave) and Dragalge (Quiet), which would use the same sets as the normal ones. Discussion points: Azumarill: A+ or A? This might be a controversial question, especially with the rise of Dark-types/Pursuit users. Azumarill is as good as ever. However, I talked to people about discussion points and some of them thought Azumarill may or may not be worthy of being A+. The standard Choice Band set gets walled by the likes of Amoonguss, unless Azumarill is carrying the extremely rare Ice Punch and catches it on the switch. The Belly Drum set gets easily revenge killed by the common Rotom-Wash, unless Azumarill is Jolly. Personally, I think Azumarill deserves its A+ rank, but I can see why some people would question that. Gengar: A or A-? Gengar's loss of Levitate was already taken into account by its drop from to A+ to A. However, now, with the rise in usage of Pursuit trappers and Greninja, Gengar's spot in A is worth discussing. People have been running Focus Sash Gengar to survive a hit from the likes of Weavile and surprise it with Focus Blast. This set's main drawback is the lack of power provided by Life Orb, which is still Gengar's preferred item. Usually, what ends up happening is Gengar will get a kill, then get Pursuit trapped and die, whether it switches or not, because it is extremely frail. In other cases, a Choice Scarf Tyranitar can even switch in on a Shadow Ball or a Sludge Wave and proceed to eliminate Gengar without losing any Pokémon in the process. Destiny Bond is a nice addition to Gengar's arsenal. It allows it to handle Bisharp better. If you're against one, you can simply click Destiny Bond on the Sucker Punch or the Knock Off. Either you trade 1 for 1 or you end up gaining a free Focus Blast. Personally, I would leave Gengar in A for now, as it can still beat a lot of the meta, fits on many teams, and can handle stall decently well. Mew: A or A-? Mew's main asset is its unpredictability, because of how versatile it is. It can run defensive sets and offensive ones. The rise in usage of Dark-types and Pursuit users is the main reason Mew's spot in A is being questioned. Mew can pretty much singlehandedly dismantle stall. Its main sets are the physically defensive one and the specially defensive one. The physically defensive set is the one that took a harder hit from the meta changes, because of the prominence of the likes of Weavile and Greninja. It can still survive a powerful Dark-type attack and proceed to burn its foe. The specially defensive set can be used to handle Hydreigon, Nidoking, mixed Dragonite (which has very few answers), and can decently tank a Dark Pulse from Greninja. Personally, I don't know whether Mew should drop or not. Kabutops: A- or B+? Rain isn't as present as it was when Drizzle was initially added to Pelipper's arsenal. It's still common enough to worry about when building teams. Don't get me wrong, though: Kabutops is still, by far, the best physical rain abuser. This won't change until Mega Swampert is added into the game. Kabutops can beat some rain measures, such as Mantine, while it can't really beat others, such as Gastrodon. Does it belong in the same tier as Kingdra, which is now ranked in A-? Personally, I don't think so. However, does it belong in B+, where Ludicolo is? That's really debatable. Diggersby: B+ or A-? Dakivid suggested this one. Diggersby is a powerful wallbreaker that can hit hard with a Choice Band or a Life Orb and can even act as a decent revenge killer with a Choice Scarf (baiting the likes of Gengar). If a team lacks appropriate measures, it can be hard to put a stop to it. What really hurts Diggersby is its speed and the fact that it struggles to break past the likes of Skarmory. Espeon: B- or C+? The highest ranked eeveelution on the viability list took a hard hit from the rise of the Dark-types. But is it enough to warrant a drop? Xatu: B- or C+? Same situation as Espeon. P.S.: Before voting on Espeon and Xatu, I'd like to remind everyone that Gardevoir is currently in C+.

I've taken into account all the previous comments: Kingdra: A- Weavile: A+ Hippowdon: B+ Klefki: B+ Starmie: B+ Arcanine: B Feraligatr: B+ Gastrodon: A- Lucario: A- Mamoswine: A- Mantine: A- Omastar: B Serperior: A- Haxorus: B+ Jellicent: B- Ninetales: B- Smeargle: B Shuckle: B- Talonflame: B- Torkoal: B- Exeggutor: C+ Victreebel: B- Gardevoir: C+ I also went ahead and moved Krookodile from B- to B due to the addition of Pursuit, which the Choice Scarf set, which is the recommended set, benefits most from. I've added Tailwind and Stored Power to some sets.

Done. Thank you!

I've taken into account all the previous comments as well as this one (from Discord): Greninja: S Versatile and splashable. Perfect coverage. Can beat all its supposed counters. Can 2HKO Chansey if physically offensive with Low Kick after Stealth Rock damage. Can beat Mantine with Rock Slide or Hidden Power Electric. Can beat the likes of Suicune and Poliwrath with Hidden Power Electric, Hidden Power Grass or Grass Knot. Can beat Gastrodon with Hidden Power Grass or Grass Knot. Can beat Ferrothorn with Hidden Power Fire. Can U-turn for free, gaining momentum. [*]Rotom-Heat: A- [*]Azelf: A- [*]Conkeldurr: A [*]Heracross: A [*]Magnezone: A- [*]Slowbro: B+ [*]Togekiss: A- [*]Blissey: B+ [*]Goodra: B+ [*]Reuniclus: A- [*]Crawdaunt: A- [*]Venusaur: B [*]Chandelure: B+ [*]Ludicolo: B+ [*]Snorlax: B [*]Aerodactyl: B+ [*]Doublade: B- Discussion points: Kingdra: A or A-? Weavile: A or A+? Hippowdon: A- or B+? Klefki: A- or B+? Starmie: A- or B+? Arcanine: B+ or B? Feraligatr: B+ or B? Gastrodon: B+ or A-? Lucario: B+ or A-? Mamoswine: B+ or A-? Mantine: B+ or A-? Omastar: B+ or B? Serperior: B+ or A-? Haxorus: B or B+? Jellicent: B or B-? Ninetales: B or B-? Smeargle: B or B-? Shuckle: B or B-? Talonflame: B or B-? Torkoal: B or B-? Exeggutor: B- or C+? Victreebel: B- or C+? Gardevoir: B- or C+?

Based on the discussion so far (as well as my own personal opinion), I have changed the discussion points of Slowbro from "A or A-?" to "A- or B+?" and Aerodactyl from "B or B-?" to "B+ or B?".

List updated. Additions: Added an Unaware set to Clefable Added an offensive trapper set to Heatran Added two Mold Breaker sets to Excadrill Added Pursuit to Tyranitar, Weavile and Scizor Added Trick to Latios, Latias, Jirachi, Rotom-Heat and Chandelure Added Magma Storm and Power Herb to Heatran Added Encore to Alakazam Added Drain Punch to Conkeldurr Added Greninja to S Discussion points: Greninja: S or A+? Rotom-Heat: A or A-? Azelf: A or A-? Conkeldurr: A or A-? Heracross: A or A-? Magnezone: A or A-? Slowbro: A- or B+? Togekiss: A or A-? Blissey: A- or B+? Goodra: A- or B+? Reuniclus: A- or B+? Crawdaunt: A- or B+? Venusaur: B+ or B? Chandelure: B+ or B? Ludicolo: B+ or B? Snorlax: B+ or B? Aerodactyl: B+ or B? Doublade: B or B-?

Vote: Yes Reason: Team preview will make the game more competitive and less RNG-dependent, as it will allow players to play more strategically. Current rating: 0 (I was on the ladder on October 2017, November 2017, December 2017 and January 2018)

4 reroll tickets and 200K.

Choice Scarf Togekiss is an abomination and those who use that set should be ashamed of themselves.

List updated. Additions: Added new moves (e.g. Liquidation, Clear Smog, Icicle Crash) Added a Poison Heal set to Breloom and a Choice Band option to the Weavile set Added Mantine to B+, Pelipper to A-, Rotom-Heat to A, Rotom-Wash to A and Torkoal to B Removals: Removed Blaziken, Dugtrio and Politoed Removed the defensive Ninetales set Rises: Moved Amoonguss from A- to A Moved Breloom from A- to A Moved Conkeldurr from B+ to BL to A Moved Heracross from B+ to BL to A Moved Ludicolo from B to BL to B+ Moved Mamoswine from B to B+ Moved Volcarona from A- to A+ Moved Weavile from A- to A Drops: Moved Gengar from A+ to A Moved Skarmory from A+ to A Moved Talonflame from S to B

Gone with the Wind The blue moon shines bright in the starry sky Above this meadow that no one goes by. Yet, in the silence of this windy night, Two Nidorans are keeping close and tight. Hidden in some bushes under the trees Where the coldest air feels just like a breeze, The lovers gaze into each other's eyes With passionate love as one of them cries And the other lies quietly in pain; The night gets darker and it starts to rain. By the time the sun has started rising, The tiny pairs of paws have stopped moving. The lone Nidoran's come to realize That we may die, but true love never dies. —Jorogumo.

[mention]Shenal[/mention], the list is still incomplete. I'll be going over the Pokémon in the lower tiers in the future. I already indicated that Rhyperior (and a few others) will rise, but probably just by one tier or two.

Hello, everyone! I am Jorogumo from NoMercy, a guild on silver server. Months ago, my friend (sgtbianco) and I looked through tr3y's (now Enforcer's) viability list. We loved the idea, but thought that it would be even better if sets and checks for each Pokémon were added. So, we started our own project: our own viability tier list. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I7-RFOILI_fN4Oca8aKW51lPEqiiAHkkSBtcdfUc9sM. The list is currently incomplete and will probably remain that way, because 1. it would take too long to add sets and counters/checks to everything and 2. I'd like to work on a similar list when PokéOne comes out and might have no time left for this one. But, for now, we can work on it together. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. I'll soon add polls to see if you guys agree with some of the rise/drop suggestions already mentioned in the document. You can comment on that starting now, though. If you want to help, please fill out this form: [Write the Pokémon's name here] Current tier: Desired tier (optional): Recommended set (optional): Ability: Nature: Item: EVs: Moves: 1. 2. 3. 4. [*]Checks/Counters (optional): My goal is simple: I'd like to make the list as detailed and accurate as possible to help as many players as I can. Special thanks to everyone who helped me review the list, including njnp, TR3Y, ThePokeMaestro, Dakivid, HeroOfTheStreet, YuronLee, expendable99, Smooge, GlogS and Coup0d0boule.

Player name: Jorogumo Showdown name: Spuddington Server: Blue Rank on ladder: 20

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