Prehax

Hello fellow PVP'ers; as some of you may know out of my recent Battle System Bugs threadFakeout - Priority bug; the Fake Out (move) is currently coded with a +4 priority instead of +3 like it should be ( at least I believe that; more details in the Battle System Bug thread regarding this ). This is why I want to start a discussion whether it should be banned until it gets fixed or if it should remain the same. Positive Arguments (in favor of a ban) </B></COLOR>+4 priority instead of +3 which makes it stronger than it actually is breaks Speed Boost leads such as Blaziken or Yanmega (takes huge portions of their health) makes the only counter play available for Fake Out useless since Protect goes second vs Fake Out if the "Fake Out pokemon" is faster (both +4 priority, it's depending on the speed) Speed examples common Fake Out pokemon Weavile (jolly) ~ max speed 383 (faster than all "common Protect Speed Boost pokemon") ~ hence Fake Out goes first vs Protect Ambipom (jolly) ~ max speed 361 (faster than all "common Protect Speed Boost pokemon") ~ hence Fake Out goes first vs Protect Infernape (jolly) ~ max speed 346 (faster than almost all "common Protect Speed Boost pokemon except a jolly Scolipede") ~ hence Fake Out goes first vs Protect in these cases Medicham (jolly) ~ max speed 284 (faster than "Blaziken and all Protect+Wish user") ~ hence Fake Out goes first vs Protect [*]common Protect Speed Boost pokemon Scolipede (adamant/jolly) max speed 323/355 Yanmega (modest/timid) ~ max speed 289/317 Blaziken (adamant/jolly) ~ max speed 259/284 almost every Protect + Wish user is slower than 200 speed Damage calculations (between 20% ~ 50% damage) Ambipom vs Scolipede/Yanmega/Blaziken 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yanmega: 121-144 (38.6 - 46%) 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 118-140 (45.2 - 53.6%) 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Blaziken: 142-169 (47.1 - 56.1%) [*]Medicham vs Scolipede/Yanmega/Blaziken 252 Atk Life Orb Pure Power Medicham Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 77-91 (29.5 - 34.8%) 252 Atk Life Orb Pure Power Medicham Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yanmega: 79-94 (25.2 - 30%) 252 Atk Life Orb Pure Power Medicham Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Blaziken: 94-110 (31.2 - 36.5%) [*]Infernape vs Scolipede/Yanmega/Blaziken 252 Atk Life Orb Infernape Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 55-65 (21 - 24.9%) 252 Atk Life Orb Infernape Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yanmega: 56-66 (17.8 - 21%) 252 Atk Life Orb Infernape Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Blaziken: 66-78 (21.9 - 25.9%) Negative Arguments (against a ban) will affect only a small group of pokemon (Ambipom,Medicham,Weavile & Infernape; since they are the most common Fake Out user) Protect isn't much in the meta unless played with Wish or Speed Boost <COLOR color="#00FF00"><B>banning every bugged move isn't an option (look at Leech Seed; it's bugged but still allowed) My position I do strongly believe that the overall arguments in favor for a ban overweight the ones that are against a ban (at least the ones I came up with); meaning that PRO shouldn't allow stronger moves that destroy a legit playstyle. The +4 priority (I do not 100% know if it's actually +4 priority, could be a total spaghetti code but it has the same priority as Endure/Detect/Protect but is slower than Helping Hand) severe damages these playstyles hence that is why I suggest to ban it. Sincerely, PreHax

Farewell o/

#Updated the post; thanks to Setzuen

restart your client and it is gone :)

I am not sure if you are being serious or not; but I think you are new to PVP so this might be frustrating for you to play against such things

So you would suggest to ban 4x Leftovers as well?

Hello X/Y, the Infiltrator (Ability) isn't working in PRO, it simply doesn't ignore the Screens like it should. Video proof Sincerely, PreHax

I have an ada, no guard, Machamp as well. I have read a lot of people like to lead with Machamp. Do you think that's a better lead and throw forretress out of my team? they have completely different roles, so not comparable in your team combination but yeah I do think Machamp is a better lead than Forretress

I personally think that it's an horrible lead in PRO with a lot of people using leads like Togekiss, it's overall not as good as Skarmory/Ferrothorn/Donphan/Tentacruel for hazards/spinner

Re: Protect is +3 priority and not +4 like it should be <r><QUOTE author="xrevolutionx94"><s> </e></QUOTE> I used the speed calculations to show that protect is indeed only +3 and not +4 priority. :P</r>

You are allowed to play on the same IP, check your PM's I sent you something. :)

Just a little advice but just to enlighten you a bit what the reason could be; everything on the Severity 2 list but the forum rules are pretty clear; so let's not discuss this here :P

Welcome to the Forum lul o/

Hello Nelkos, I have personally never heard of such a case ( that you get banned for playing on the same IP; this could be different if someone with the same IP is breaking the TOS ) since, there is no need to ban you unless you have more than 4 accounts (2 accounts on 2 emails each); other than that accountsharing is also not ban-able. I mean you could use a VPN but with all do respect, it doesn't break any rules tmk.

------------------------------------------ Report Form ------------------------------------------ Move/ Ability/ Item Name: Protect (Move) Explanation (Bugged/ Not Yet Coded): Battle System Bug Thread Description of Bug/ Not Coded: doesn't have +4 priority; has only +3 How it should be: +4 priority Evidence (video/ screenshots): Video proof ------------------------------------------ Outdated; look at the Battle Bug thread ------------------------------------------ Report Form ------------------------------------------ Move/ Ability/ Item Name: Infiltrator (Ability) Explanation (Bugged/ Not Yet Coded): Battle System Bug Thread Description of Bug/ Not Coded: it does not ignore screens How it should be: should ignore screens Evidence (video/ screenshots): Video proof ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Report Form ------------------------------------------ Move/ Ability/ Item Name: Fakeout Explanation (Bugged/ Not Yet Coded):Battle System Bug Thread Description of Bug/ Not Code: priority issue How it should be:should have +3 priority Evidence (video/ screenshots): Video proof ------------------------------------------ all fixed in the next update

Hello X/Y, Outdated theory the "Protect move" has currently only +3 priority instead of +4 like it should be. Video proof Blaziken speed: 268 Ambipom speed: 357 Medicham speed: 258 Weavile speed: 383 Blaziken speed: 268 Ambipom speed: 356 ~ Blaziken's Protect goes second Medicham speed: 258 ~ Blaziken's Protect goes first Weavile speed: 382 ~ Blaziken's Protect goes second New theory Fakeout is +4 priority and Detect/Endure/Protect are also coded as +4 priority Video proof Helping Hand (+5) vs Fake Out (+4) Video proof [glow=red]HOW IT SHOULD BE[/glow] Fakeout +3 priority Endure/Detect/Protect +4 priority Helping Hand +5 priority Sincerely, PreHax I have no clue what Shane is gonna do with that information but it seems like Fake Out is coded as +4 priority and not as +3; besides that Fake Out is probably one of the most bugged moves in PRO right now..

Welcome :D

Re: Riolu + Copycat <r><QUOTE author="SiTzei"><s> </e></QUOTE><br/> <br/> All generations after I and II, should have their movepools up to Gen V, so it normally should learn it; did you double check it and even it's not in there; just an advice for you.<br/> <br/> (basically means there is no ETA for any new things including when moves get coded)<br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE></r>

Hello 7sn957sn, only Mew/Celebi/Jirachi are available, you can find the quest guides in here > Guides You might saw some staff reward pokemon; Staff can chose one legendary pokemon after 6 months of staff work and the winner of the official PRO tournaments got Raikou/Entei and Suicune as reward (just one of course). wrong they are not obtainable (yet)

It's already in game

Hello Devorah, there is a thread with a lot of suggestion, you should check it out :P READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A SUGGESTION!

Hello TheSwant, try these things and let me know if something helped

Did you buy a lot of items in the PVP shop at the same time like 100x focus sash?

good enough?

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