Idkup

Special thanks to: Entire Team Magma guild, and Royalism.

Similar to Sitzei's post but with more analysis and an UU / OU split included. This is for YELLOW server only. Usage trend from 5 months ago (my last dataset) also included. UU is based on a weighted average of all my data, the more recent the data, the more value it has. This usage list will be the basis of any tierlist I release, and thus also any future UU tournament I host. (Have one in the works right now!) I have less datapoints than Sitzei does because this isn't an entire guild PvPing, just me and some friends :) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CEwdgAXI9jigrywXCluCwODg5AGjDjUpvaH-jsLad-c/edit?usp=sharing Credits for data (May and June): Yveltalray Dangarangs Prehax iSmurfie Credits for data (December and January): Kunjiro (lemme know if i missed anyone)

well 28+ spd is preferable to outspeed gengar and talon with a choice scarf the number is 26

They should only bypass stage modifiers, not item modifiers.

yes my friends also agree with me that's what friends are for

or maybe you have no idea what it's like having a rule specifically targeting a tiny group of people for no real reason

maybe im like 1 of 5 people actually affected by this rule on yellow server as a whole

i was not aware that you speak for the staff

your point is literally telling me to lose more why should i take it OK YOU KNOW WHAT F THIS IF YOU WANT TO GET BANNED GO AHEAD! WHAT IM SAYING IS INSTEAD OF GETTING BANNED JUST LOSE ON YOUR ALT TO OTHER PLAYERS! OR DONT PLAY PVP ON YOUR ALT AT ALL! HOW MANY ACCOUNTS DO YOU NEED TO PLAY PVP ON! JUST GIT GUD BRUH! when 'lose more' is the best advice you can give doesn't that pretty clearly show the rule in its current state is a problem

your point is literally telling me to lose more why should i take it

First off revo had a better w/l than i did this season Second off i don't have the time to ladder on 25 accounts. I have the time to ladder on 3. Also you are only allowed 4 accounts per person. It is BECAUSE I CAN GET THREE ACCOUNTS ON LADDER IN THE TIME IT TAKES SOMEONE ELSE TO GET ONE that I can hold multiple positions in top 25. It's a shame that you're missing the point on every single post I make. I think Revo should be judge here because clearly he deserves to be on the ladder more than you. to be fair assuming it was a free for all revo couldn't prevent me from taking 3-4 spots simply because playing 21 accounts and playing 4 are on very different difficulty levels. Just as playing 4 and playing 1 are.

I don't think boosting someone and then taking the points back off them is allowed either. I also don't think it matters if boosting is boosting myself, a friend, a guildie, or a total stranger - IT'S NOT ALLOWED. firstly... e-[censored]-xactly you would be banned for boosting if you tried to make yourself lose to yourself... you just made the answer to your rule five complaint... its not possible! and lets get real who is going to report you because they won and you lost. i think dropping from 25-5 to like 25-10 is pretty clear evidence of boosting

Maybe because I'm better at teambuilding and battling and can ladder more efficiently than they can. W/L doesn't come out of thin air. So you having a better win loss ratio allows you to be able to determine who is worthy of the ladder? Let me ask you something. If you could have as many alts as you want hell let's say 1000 alts just for the giggles, if you took up 25 of the 25 spots for the ladder do you think that would be fair? Ladder would look something like this idkup idkuptwo idkupthree idkupfour idkupfive idkupsix idkupseven idkupeight idkupnine idkupten idkupeleven idkuptwelve idkupthirteen idkupfourteen idkupfifteen idkupsixteen idkupseventeen idkupeighteen idkupnineteen idkuptwenty idkuptwentyone idkuptwentytwo idkuptwentytree idkuptwentyfour idkuptwentyfive How does that look to you? This isn't about who is deserving this is about THE TOP 25 PLAYERS not the top 25 idkups First off revo had a better w/l than i did this season Second off i don't have the time to ladder on 25 accounts. I have the time to ladder on 3. Also you are only allowed 4 accounts per person. It is BECAUSE I CAN GET THREE ACCOUNTS ON LADDER IN THE TIME IT TAKES SOMEONE ELSE TO GET ONE that I can hold multiple positions in top 25.

LOSING ON PURPOSE IS AGAINST THE RULES and why should i bother passing people on main i get 500 coins either way LOSING AGAINST YOURSELF IS MORE AGAINST THE RULES, IF YOU WOULD STOP READING ONLY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING! SO YOU EITHER GET BANNED BECAUSE YOU HAVE 2 ACCOUNTS ON THE LADDER OR IF YOU DECIDED TO LOWER YOUR ALT ON THE LADDER IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED BOOSTING RESULTING IN A... OH GUESS WHAT A BAN! IF YOU LOSE AGAINST ANOTHER PLAYER MULTIPLE TIMES YOUR ALT IS OFF THE LADDER! AND YOU CAN JUST WIN WITH YOUR MAIN ACCOUNT A BUNCH MAKING IT SO THAT THEY ARE BACK TO WHERE YOU ARE! WHICH RESULTS IN... OH GUESS WHAT NO BAN! I don't think boosting someone and then taking the points back off them is allowed either. I also don't think it matters if boosting is boosting myself, a friend, a guildie, or a total stranger - IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

I can knock people off even if I don't hit top 25. Kupthree knocked off at least one person when I attempted a last minute rush (I failed btw). Not my fault they lose to me. Maybe you didn't quite understand my question. What makes you the judge of who is worthy of the ladder? Just because you have a 5:1 w/l ratio? I respect those people who put in 300 games a season and claw their way to the ladder because they did what it takes to make it there. You just logged in and played a few games and logged off. I could care less about people like you. Maybe because I'm better at teambuilding and battling and can ladder more efficiently than they can. W/L doesn't come out of thin air.

LOSING ON PURPOSE IS AGAINST THE RULES and why should i bother passing people on main i get 500 coins either way

My w/l is 5+:1. Theirs is hardly 2:1. Tell me how it's fair that they even get a spot on ladder. Also, kuptwo started at the beginning of the season. You're already on the ladder. Why is it up to you to determine who is worthy of a ladder spot or not? I can knock people off even if I don't hit top 25. Kupthree knocked off at least one person when I attempted a last minute rush (I failed btw). Not my fault they lose to me.

My w/l is 5+:1. Theirs is hardly 2:1. Tell me how it's fair that they even get a spot on ladder. Also, kuptwo started at the beginning of the season.

Losing to another player IS BOOSTING.

Because I hit ladder in under 50 games and purposely losing is against the rules. Testing a team for me CAN AND WILL take me to ladder very quickly. I'd be unable to test after about ~80 games on kuptwo and kupthree.

Okay, this post might get a little ranty... Full disclosure, I had two accounts on ladder last season. Anyways, this is Rule 7 currently: 7. Having multiple accounts linked to one person (Alternate accounts) on the end-of-season Top 25 will result in the permanent suspension of said accounts. Now, I can see why some people consider multiple accounts unfair. I'm getting double the reward at the end of the season as others on the ladder. I'm also contributing a considerable amount more to my guild than people without a second / third ladder account. But this implementation in effect prevents me from using my alts at all. Yellow ladder is honestly very weak. It only takes cerca 50 games to hit top 25, and even if I don't pass the current #25, there is a sizeable chance that they drop. If by chance one of my accounts does end up in 25 with, say, around 400 rating and 40ish games, and season is reported to be nearly ending, what am I to do? Rule 5: 5. Using another account, or logging onto someone else's account, to intentionally boost the rating of another account is forbidden, and action will be taken if caught. This rule prevents me from intentionally losing to drop out of top 25 in order to avoid being banned. Basically, to prevent ending up in this situation, I can play no more than about 40 games on my alt(s) and even fewer if I start them up late. This is, in my opinion, rather unfair, as it is in effect preventing only decent players from running alts, while newbs hitting 1.5-2:1 w/l can do so with impunity. Here are some changes that might make it more fair: 1. Ban alts on ladder entirely. Simple fix. 2. Allow alts on ladder, simply don't give them prizes. I would prefer this, really. Also knocks people that don't deserve a spot off ladder. And before anyone complains about grinding, across my 3 accounts I had less games than some people had on a single account on the ladder, so if you're looking to resolve people nolifing ladder, alts aren't the place to look. 3. Prevent one person from having more than one account in the same guild. Now for a short list of points on why alts are (imo) healthy for the ladder: 1. Alts promote creativity. I've run multiple somewhat random teams on my alts that I definitely wouldn't run on my main... 4 dragon offense, rain / sand dual weather, etc. Even my current main ladder team was first run on an alt. This allowed me to iron out issues and not use the bread and butter sand offense that dominates ladder today. This is a huge issue, take a look at these usage numbers: Pokemon Usage %Usage(5) %Usage(12-1) %Usage(Total) %Change Togekiss 20 29.55665025 23.79423868 27.63584639 24.21767572 Azumarill 18 26.60098522 20.95336077 24.71844374 26.95331081 Tyranitar 16 23.6453202 20.38408779 22.55824273 15.99891268 Talonflame 16 23.6453202 19.93278464 22.40780834 18.62527303 Gengar 18 26.60098522 13.89711934 22.36636326 91.41366328 Ferrothorn 17 25.12315271 11.77914952 20.67515165 113.2849461 Excadrill 16 23.6453202 13.75857339 20.34973793 71.85880781 Blissey 11 16.25615764 24.26611797 18.92614441 -33.00882467 Scizor 12 17.73399015 20.9739369 18.8139724 -15.44748975 These usage percentages are already massive, and they ARE BASICALLY ALL INCREASING. Question my methodology all you want, but if you want to stifle creativity, killing alts is the best way to do so. 2. Once you hit top 25, it's currently pointless to ladder further. There isn't a reward for #10, #5, or even #1. This should be resolved. Even 1 pvp coin / win is no incentive, the 500 received from season end far outweighs it. 3. Ladder is currently super easy to climb. If almost all top players stop laddering like two weeks into the season because their spot in top 25 is secure, that only makes it easier... (And yes, it is easy, idkupthree took around 20 matches to hit 350 yesterday, and would have gone higher if it weren't for ladder reset and rule change) If they have incentive to continue playing on alts, then at least some difficulty remains. I hope you take my opinion into consideration.

Only trying to make the point that top 25 is not indicative of skill, any noob can throw together a basic sand offense and go 3-1 on ladder, and after hundreds of games amass 500+ points...

Doing that loses to Ninetales + Exeggutor / Victreebel.

Having played several matches I can assure you this is not the case. Trust me, I tried to build a more cancerous stall than my standard one...

The bigger problem is that the team lacks a win condition and offensive presence in general... stallbreakers will rip it apart.