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Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="PreHax"><s> </e></QUOTE> keep telling that yourself won't change the fact that this is PRO and not showdown <br/> <br/> being top25 isn't success for you, well then what is? 100-0? lmao<e> </e></QUOTE> id say around 3:1 is reasonably good and 5:1 would be justification based on a single use</r>

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <t>2:1 w/l is not what i would call success, especially on this abomination of a ladder.<br/> <br/> medicham and galvantula are pretty bad leads tbh, crappy matchups everywhere... if someone sends in exca on ambi chances are sandstorm is up or you've already won anyways</t>

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="PreHax"><s> </e></QUOTE> <br/> Weezing @ Leftovers <br/> Ability: Levitate <br/> EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpA <br/> Bold Nature <br/> - Thunderbolt <br/> - Sludge Bomb <br/> - Flamethrower <br/> - Pain Split<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Azumarill <e></e></U><br/> 0 SpA Weezing Sludge Bomb vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 204-242 (56 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (OHKO after Belly)<br/> +6 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 219-258 (65.5 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (Azu is slower in most cases if not heavily invested in SPD )<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Gyarados<e></e></U><br/> 0 SpA Weezing Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gyarados: 224-268 (67.6 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (8/10 cases its OHKO in PRO)<br/> +1 252 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 132-156 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery <br/> +1 252 Atk Gyarados Crunch vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 88-104 (26.3 - 31.1%) -- 12.2% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> +1 252 Atk Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 72-85 (21.5 - 25.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Black Sludge recover<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Scizor <br/> <e></e></U>0 SpA Weezing Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 272-324 (79.3 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (8/10 cases its OHKO in PRO)<br/> +2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 148-175 (44.3 - 52.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Talonflame<e></e></U><br/> 0 SpA Weezing Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 154-182 (42.8 - 50.6%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO <br/> 252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 109-129 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 4.2% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Tangrowth<e></e></U><br/> 0 SpA Weezing Sludge Bomb vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Tangrowth: 294-348 (73.1 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<br/> 0 SpA Tangrowth Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Weezing: 59-69 (17.6 - 20.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Weavile<e></e></U><br/> 0 SpA Weezing Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Weavile: 130-154 (46.2 - 54.8%) -- 57% chance to 2HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 134-160 (40.1 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 105-125 (31.4 - 37.4%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Weezing vs. Bisharp <e></e></U><br/> 0 SpA Weezing Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 152-180 (56 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<br/> 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 152-179 (45.5 - 53.5%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 125-148 (37.4 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Weezing: 109-130 (32.6 - 38.9%) -- 7.8% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery<br/> <br/> <br/> Weezing is an overall okish tank and has some good checks in PRO for some meta pokemons, it is of course not a S+ tier smogon pokemon or whatever but in PRO it works perfectly fine and deserves its A- tier <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> Ambipom @ Life Orb <br/> Ability: Technician <br/> EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe <br/> Jolly Nature <br/> - Fake Out <br/> - Double Hit <br/> - Low Kick <br/> - Ice Punch <br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Machamp<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 129-152 (35.4 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 220-266 (60.4 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (9/10 cases its OHKO in PRO)<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Galvantula<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Galvantula: 161-191 (57.2 - 67.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Galvantula: 280-330 (99.6 - 117.4%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Garchomp<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 369-437 (103.3 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Goodra<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 142-169 (37.9 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Ice Punch vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 239-283 (63.9 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Medicham<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Medicham: 134-160 (51.3 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Medicham: 234-276 (89.6 - 105.7%) -- approx. 25% chance to OHKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Togekiss<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 110-133 (35.2 - 42.6%) -- 88.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 194-228 (62.1 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Mamoswine<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 129-152 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 338-400 (93.6 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Tyranitar<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 525-619 (153.9 - 181.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Excadrill<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 79-94 (21.8 - 26%) -- 7.6% chance to 4HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Low Kick (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 320-377 (88.6 - 104.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO<br/> <br/> <U><s></s>Ambipom vs. Dragonite<e></e></U><br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Ambipom Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 55-66 (17 - 20.4%) -- possible 5HKO<br/> 252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 369-437 (114.2 - 135.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> <br/> Ambipom is like weezing, of course not a S+ tier smogon pokemon but it does a good job in PRO and deserves in my opinion even a better tier than B<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________<br/> <br/> These are obviously all theoretical scenarios but they happen quite often in PRO and Ambipom has some good checks for a few meta pokemons as well as Weezing<e> </e></QUOTE> re: weezing - it's outclassed by tentacruel for most purposes, it's a decent mon yea but tenta takes down everything bar earthquake gyarados more reliably and isn't cm bait for clefable...<br/> <br/> re: ambipom - you switch to something to tank the fake out and then pivot out immediately baiting an ineffective attack, rendering it essentially useless and granting you a free turn. furthermore, using galvantula and medicham for defensive calcs? and assuming it's ever going to get a low kick off on excadrill? past the first turn on the field ambipom is basically death fodder, especially with your set where it can hardly touch ghosts at all (like it or not, gengar is still a prominent force in the meta)</r>

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r> Me,tr3y,rey and more ?<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> Saying M-mence is an awfull p-don check is probably one of the most dumbest(yeah huge grammar mistake there aka superlative to help ppl understand )commentary you can give about the uber tier tbh,<br/> and Me being ignorant or not doesn't change the fact, datawise mence is one of the most used answer to pdon over 1k7~1k8 rating , that aside you not playing ORAS meta and SUMO aswell is quite obvious ...<br/> *<br/> <I><s></s>um, if anything pdon is a mmence check, not the other way around...<e></e></I><br/> Edit:If you want w'r free to debate if m-mence is an awfull sd less p-don set check whenever you want on sd, i'll gadly participate ,and tho stop being off-topic on PRO's forum <br/> <br/> on topic: lots of stuff on the list probably don't belong there and/or should be moved way down<br/> weezing - what exactly does this accomplish again, poison is an okay defensive typing i guess and levitate is nice but its damage output and bulk are just lacking<br/> duskinoir - um... what does this even do<br/> empoleon - only bulky water to be trapped by magnet pull is an accomplishment i guess, lack of steel STAB = no real reason to use<br/> gallade - horrible defensive typing, low speed, extremely susceptible to priority<br/> sableye - klefki exists<br/> ambipom - technician fake out does not make a pokemon viable<br/> electivire - jack of all trades, master of none - simply too weak to get the ohkos it needs<br/> forretress - ferro is better at spikestacking and exca is better at spinning, and neither is complete setup bait like forry<br/> ninetales - sun is by far worse than sand and rain in this meta, and ninetales is possibly a worse setter for sun than sunny day klefki, due to its overall lack of utility and the fact that fire is a horrible defensive typing<br/> umbreon - if this thing got foul play it'd be decent but it doesn't<br/> avalugg - um... ice type + spinner don't really mix well<br/> florges - completely and utterly outclassed by clefable and sylveon<br/> steelix - nonexistent special defense and that secondary ground typing really kill its chances of doing much<br/> quagsire - worse seismitoad / gastrodon</r>

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="SheWas18"><s> </e></QUOTE>Most common used defogger are some kind of p-don checks .meanwhile <br/> 6 | Salamence-Mega | 22.76181% | 87880 | 13.509% | 52780 | 12.487% <- loses to all pdons that aren't the specially defensive set<br/> 11 | Zygarde | 15.52786% | 79302 | 12.191% | 54152 | 12.812% <- decent pdon check, but hates lava plume burns<br/> 12 | Arceus-Water | 14.08012% | 29118 | 4.476% | 20002 | 4.732% | <- probably one of the better pdon checks the meta has to offer<br/> 14 | Giratina-Origin | 12.97521% | 38577 | 5.930% | 25388 | 6.007% | <- LOL<br/> 21 | Arceus-Fairy | 7.69787% | 13060 | 2.008% | 9228 | 2.183% | <- not a pdon check<br/> 64 | Arceus-Dragon | 1.22215% | 4892 | 0.752% | 3178 | 0.752% | <- soft-check<br/> Dragon form check p-don aswell im not denying it, yet over 1k7 it's almost never used ,even tho waterceus as trouble checking SD-don ,it's just better overall(new toys like z-gem arceus-ground you know ) , fairy is clearly meant to help checking yvetal (magerna is more runned than arceus-fairy aswell for yvetal(and xern) and w'r starting to see heatwave more and more on yvetal<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE>I doubt you are even voiced in the first place, "In Gen 7, Zygarde can't learn these moves" and so "In Gen 7, Salamence can learn these moves" Roostall stone edge ,and precipice doesn't even 2hko ,don't even need to add the atqdrop .<br/> And both spread are kind of outdated because of the aerilate nerf ,boost to mega and the proeminance of M-Luc in the actual meta to handle both xean/m-gengar/arceus-fairy and crush stall (and 0hko pdon a+2,or just 2hko it)<QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE>If you even played uber recently there a ton of new core handling both of them ,without having p-don being parashuffler<br/> Thunder Wave 14.654% (Other 19.137%hp ice/toxic) <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE>Like he cares (hp ice p-don is for the swag) -><br/> Groudon-Primal <br/> Checks and Counters :<br/> Zygarde 68.384 (75.80±1.86) |<br/> | (17.0% KOed / 58.8% switched out)| <br/> Salamence-Mega 61.569 (70.56±2.25) |<br/> | (31.2% KOed / 39.4% switched out) <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE>Psyshock 3hko at best and pyschic is never runned <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE>Phazing moove was never meant for sweeping ,weavile&bisharp both get ohked. <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE>:O u'r right i wasn't even paying attention tbh,but still :<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 248+ Def Vaporeon: 430-508 (92.6 - 109.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 364-430 (92.3 - 109.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 244+ Def Gastrodon: 403-476 (94.6 - 111.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 298-352 (75.6 - 89.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blastoise: 316-372 (87.2 - 102.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 394-464 (97.5 - 114.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +1 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 276-325 (70 - 82.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Politoed: 378-446 (98.6 - 116.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 337-398 (84 - 99.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> <IMG src="https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/164764yX3ygoM.png"><s></e></IMG><QUOTE author="SheWas18"><s> </e></QUOTE> <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE>both doesn't check knock of at +2 ,dragontail miss clefable and kiss .<QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> "i don't care and i ignored it anyway " <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> Cm slowbro straight loose to toxic goth ,half the meta is free switch for clefable , and for clefable and lo destroying semi-stall , yet half the red serveur is full of semi-stall, and you gotta learn teambuilding as well .<br/> <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> Yeah that is all<br/> Edit: <QUOTE author="SheWas18"><s> </e></QUOTE>All thoose data are from the highest elo , i"m just copypasting datas, nothing else, but still showing howmuch [Censored] u'r saying<br/> Edit 2:I heard what you said, you are pretty much against the idea of poliwrath being worth to be runned, and it's starting to be off-topic ,anyway im done debating and you obviously not played once poliwrath to have an unbiased opinion , poliwrath got ranked , you being unhappy with it isn't my concern , have a good day .<e> </e></QUOTE> Actually, I was voiced for over a year in the Ubers room during early to late XY, before I quit the tier a few months before ORAS. I've hit top 30 in the Ubers ladder and have won quite a few room tours, so I'm pretty sure I know wtf I'm talking about when it comes to Ubers as a tier.<br/> <br/> Arceus-Dragon and Arceus-Fairy are less common on the ladder because, simply put, the Ubers ladder is more about crushing newbs bringing half-OU teams and legendary stacks than actual Ubers battles - I remember I hit 1500 before a single 'good' battle. It's more effective to run blitz tactics on the ladder, which is not the case in tours - sure, Arc-Dragon is still not an extremely common pick, but it sees considerably more usage.<br/> <br/> I don't quite see what you're talking about with 'an abundance of LO Knock Off users' - I don't think Weavile and the rare LO KOff Scizor qualify as an abundance. Also, Knock Off at +2? People are actually allowing Weavile to get a Swords Dance off? A WEAVILE? With a horrible defensive typing and 70/65/85 bulk? +2 Weavile is about as irrelevant as +2 Porygon-Z tbh, i.e. it doesn't exist, at all.<br/> <br/> 'cm slowbro straight loses to toxic goth' Please cite one person actually running Toxic on Gothitelle, kthx<br/> <br/> I'm less unhappy about Poliwrath being ranked than you pretending you have any sort of Ubers experience whatsoever, to be honest. It's a tier I've played for years and your ignorance is quite obvious...<br/> <br/> That aside, have a nice day as well.</r>

It's the order in which things happened is screwed up. And it is not supposed to take Iron Barbs damage is what I was getting at mostly. Idk I just felt like 2 videos would better support my claim xD. ah i thought you were implying that the hjk was bugged too

Sent message to opponent 2 days ago, posting here for activity, as I still have not received a response.

Isn't HJK supposed to cause crash damage if used on a protecting opponent?

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="SheWas18"><s> </e></QUOTE> I'v been part uber/ag community for years but thanks to you i learned something new , people way of handling hazards in sumo's meta are mence,exca,waterceus,darkceus,gira ,(wait wait waterceus and mence ?)and therefore there are more hp ice pdon running around than stone edge ones and SD less variants can't even touch mence and are simply setup bait,and had to mention no one played parashuffler since longtime ago ,whereas zygard-c is straight better now for doing this job . (speak of thing you are aware of, thanks )<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> Yes,well nothing appart from psyshic even 2hko,and tbolt is much worse than toxic<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> No<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> No aswell . <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 324-382 (82.2 - 96.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth .<br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 438-516 (102.8 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO <br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blastoise: 344-407 (95 - 112.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 402-473 (102 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> +1 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 302-356 (76.6 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 430-508 (106.4 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Politoed: 415-489 (108.3 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 370-437 (92.2 - 108.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 472-555 (101.7 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO<br/> cune is30ish % getting ohked,bar waterceus and rotom-w (even a [Censored] m-stoise's spread fully invested in hp and def is ohked with sand and sr,fishing for a flinch is also a possible way to pass through tom and ceus )everything "bulky water" just faint to exca , <br/> you see i am aswell cable of copypasting some calcs , you may correct me if i'm wrong , but almost no one play ada exca and leaking calc of an ada lo+2 exca is irrevalent as ,since almost nothing walls it properly with a bit of hax/prior damage/hazards<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> momentum killer=/=stabbed phazing abillity. <QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE> Remodling arguments i gaved to ask for a ranking in the first place , to discredit it later on ,when i actually pointed thoose out sounds lame ;you basiclly change the interpration of words to make them your side thus counter-argumentating whith pointing thoose flows ."hey don't rank it up too high, it has somehow no reliable recovery " "but you know it has no reliable recovery so it sucks" Rolf .(i have shorten but his post is about that kind of thing )<QUOTE author="idkup"><s> </e></QUOTE>Wrong again , balance ?(you probably never seen one during ORAS OU, or even in pro for obvious reasons ) anyways isn't pro full of semi-stall teams ?<br/> Edit: Dunno if you noticed ,the rank i asked for was lower than bulky water having acces to a reliable recovery except jellycent, because of his knock of's weakness while taking wrath"s niche of checking the abondancy of LO knock off users .<e> </e></QUOTE> i'm gonna ignore all of your 'no' because you failed to back it up at all...<br/> <br/> 1) Primal Groudon =/= Stealth Rock. You've listed defoggers, not Primal Groudon checks, and it's quite obvious you don't play much Ubers by the fact that you make no mention of Dragon Arceus or Fairy Arceus.<br/> 2) Zygarde-C doesn't like lava plume does it<br/> 3) What Gothitelle doesn't run Psychic or Psyshock, that's just delusional lmfao<br/> 4) My calc is a Jolly Exca, yours are Adamant...<br/> 5) Nice STAB phazing ability that hardly 2hkos the frailest of Pokemon weak to it...<br/> 6) Semistall is dead. Clefable killed it. Life Orb was the last straw.<br/> 7) Balance would lose so much momentum from running Poliwrath that you might as well call it a semistall...<br/> <br/> !learn Milotic, Dragon Tail<br/> !learn Vaporeon, Roar<br/> <br/> edit: !learn Zygarde, Roost, Defog<br/> edit2: 236+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Salamence-Mega: 198-234 (50.3 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO "setup bait"<br/> edit3: apparently you were comparing zygarde-c to primal groudon, not flygon - if you've ever played ubers you would know it's Role Compression: The Metagame. Parashuffle Pdon has one major perk that makes it far and away better than Zygarde-C: It can actually stop a Geomancied Xerneas and Primal Kyogre.<br/> <br/> that is all</r>

should be 1 pvp coin per 5 sashes / weak poli neither is a particularly good item so i don't see anything wrong with making them relatively easily obtainable, like lum berries.

Yep, it's certainly an important problem but I think the online count is the main cause of that. Unless match making is always random. I agree with everything you said. Spot on. :y: agree with majroity but playing stall in this meta is basically suicidal

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="SheWas18"><s> </e></QUOTE>Because Mence or Waterceus are just better ?<br/> None of them actually like being crippled by a status,wrath isn't trapped by goth either(meaning not being a setupbait for everything else aswell),his fighting typing and phazing abillity provide much more than others bulky water .Im not going to argue about wich one are better than others , but wrath is anti-meta , yet he dislikes tflamme and azu(being seen less than before,while tflamme is everywhere as always) , but being able to switch all day long into boosted knock off (daunt,bisharp,scizor,weavile) is a thing other water mon dislikes,while clefable/blissey/ferro being everywhere and possibly are answers people are using the most to fat,tempo loss watermon , being phazed on the switch ,and also checking opponnent"s team is another appealing point .(why does it sound like im repeating myself, tbh you probably skipped/ignored every argument i gaved earlier, to just refute because it's me) Don't missunderstand ,im not saying wrath is better than slowbro overall , but metawise , atm it's the case (imo) .<QUOTE author="TR3Y"><s> </e></QUOTE> way too long , way too much .<br/> Edit: You can stick to your blissey/growth/slowbro team , there no reason for me to actually give "pocket" mon wich are breaking the meta, when i could keep them , pro meta is probablly the sadest one ever seen , if leaking such mon can "help" introducing new thing ,and so kind of"restrain" playing against all thoose mirrored team such as bisharp and sand team , why not . People are adapting since the addiction of recently codded new usable contents ,same for u-turn on tflame despite the moove being legit sh it in his current state , Poliwrath pretty much answer everything new and even older scary thing , you are free to think the opposite . Have a nice day .<e> </e></QUOTE> nah mence is a horrible pdon check bc of stone edge / parashuffler sets and waterceus means giving up your arceus forme to a dedicated pdon check which doesn't work for many teams; also instead of being trapped by goth you prefer being straight up 2hkod? slowbro can at least take on goth in a cm war while wrath just loses lmfao, reducing a 'tank' without reliable recovery to 40% is basically removing it from play altogether because you can now disregard it entirely when planning your sweep. furthermore nothing screams 'free switch for clefable' like a poliwrath so it's basically guaranteed a paralyze whenever it switches in, or if you try to phaze, you get moonblasted (2hko)... also poliwrath's scald is weak even by bulky water standards, doing barely over 50 to standard excadrill lol... imo at least one of the primary roles of a bulky water in this meta is to prevent an excadrill sweep, and using poliwrath leads to this: <br/> +2 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Poliwrath: 325-383 (84.6 - 99.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock<br/> considering wrath has no recovery all that means is that a single switchin puts poli into KO range, which is frankly pitiful...<br/> <br/> another major problem with wrath is that offensively speaking it contributes absolutely nothing to your teambuild which makes it a pretty massive momentum kill - worse than blissey, which at least tempers some threats with thunder wave - and basically not viable on anything faster than semistall.<br/> <br/> idk why you think i have anything against you but for the record that isn't the case<br/> <br/> also for the record i have never played with blissey, slowbro, or tangrowth - my playstyle is extremely aggressive and forgoes defensive checks in favor of sweeping momentum.</r>

and here i thought 'ban talonflame' was ridiculous

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="TR3Y"><s> </e></QUOTE> there's 15 other bulky waters and poliwrath gets added to A-? I feel like that's just a disservice to all the bulky waters out there that actually have reliable recovery... just because it's the best at countering weavile means nothing if it hardly provides anything else that milotic, slowbro etc can't do. Flygon is possibly the best Primal Groudon counter in existence, yet no one ever uses him in Ubers...</r>

i don't think there's any real reason for tyranitar to be having vespiquen's weak signature move though...

how would OU, UU, and NU be defined? Or is this on showdown? I do have usage statistics with a couple hundred data points I would be willing to share with Staff if they would like to see it.

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="TeemoKing"><s> </e></QUOTE> only few pokemons have mach punch<br/> <br/> not everyone uses breloom or conkeldurr<e> </e></QUOTE> breloom is still quite common and faster priority completely ruins bisharp so...</r>

nevermind

'ban hyper offense' nah lets not

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <t>Why the hell do you people think Bisharp is S, have you never fought anything with the attack Mach Punch?</t>

Haze is a 100% necessity for Milotic now to prevent Clefable from switching in and setting CM with impunity.

Re: PRO Viability Rankings (PVP) v0.95.9 <r><QUOTE author="HiddenAbility"><s> </e></QUOTE> <I><s></s>Life Orb Gengar is certainly good, however Gengar cannot OHKO defensive Garchomp or Gliscor with Life Orb Icy Wind. It's probably better to run Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Fighting in this slot. Also, Gengar loses badly to the two good spinners, Excadrill and Starmie, so Jellicent and Cofagrigus are probably better for spinblocking (Jelli has reliable recovery and Cofa has access to Toxic Spikes, though it is Clefable bait...)<e></e></I><br/> <br/> comments in <I><s></s>italics<e></e></I><br/> <br/> edit: also necessary to note that the majority of your nominations are wrecked by priority... ajet azumarill, tech mp breloom, espeed dnite, they all exist and aren't going anywhere soon :)</r>

Known error, but the coding of PRO's battle system won't allow it to be fixed.

all pokemon with natural cure also have a secondary ability, even if it were allowed I would not gamble on those odds, since natural cure does not have an activation message in this game.

expect if blissy got thunder wave buddy do you know what heal bell does :) cm to 6, blissey can do literally nothing to you so you don't care about the paralysis, then heal bell and blast away