Tr3y

This is why we have sleep clause. This move doesn't need a ban lol.

Yes shadow tag, no regenerator.

I don't see anything wrong with this survey.

Oh man, Everything can happen in PvP there is ton of factors, sometimes sacrifice needed for a better good, and its almost impossible to keep all of your poke alive in a high rating match. Just try to imagine the condition, when you still have 4/5 pokes left and your opponent only have Slowbro and Blissey left. But you don't have any poke who have enough power to took slowbro down in 2 hit. The match will be end, and you will be win YES!! but the opponent can play you around with switch heal and stuff just to ruin the match and waste your time. And why is that? its because REGENERATOR easy to abuse here since we lack of dmg boosted item. Its better now because server are way more stable, have you ever experience this when server are very unstable? and then it suddenly crash then you gain nothing from those time you wasted on that match. I've never experienced this ever.

Exactly.

On the left.

Re: CHRONOS Recruiting 17+! (International Guild - Red Server) <t>1. Tell us about yourself! - I'm TR3Y and I like to fight.<br/> 2. What is your nickname in PRO? What server you're playing at? TR3Y<br/> 3. How many hours of game play do you have (check your trainer card)? How many badges do you have? - A lot<br/> 4. How old are you? Where do you come from? - I'm One Eight<br/> 5. What is your ambition/ final objective in PRO? - To be OP<br/> 6. Why should we accept you into the Guild? - Because I have a shiny Sentret<br/> 7. Have you in the guild before or maybe you in the guild right now? and tell us the reason that you left. - I'm not in the guild.<br/> 8. What is your favorite Pokemon? Why? - Blaziken because it's tall and handsome just like me.<br/> 9. Are you able to visit our Discord Group? - Chyea<br/> 10. Are you able to follow PRO Rules and Guild Rules? Chyea</t>

Mamoswine is better.

Again: Shadow Tag is not OP. If you can not deal with it with your team's meta-style, it's your problem. Not the problem of those who use it in their own PvP team. The thing is there is no way to deal with it once it comes in... You can't switch out so you are forced to stay in and watch it boost to +6 sp attack and sp def.

Re: Pawniard cant learn sucker punch <t>Only Bisharp can learn sucker punch in this game. So you just have to evolve it.</t>

I couldn't agree with you more friend. You should post that here: https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=33054

No, you missed the main point of my argument. I never say they are unbeatable or anything, and maybe i am not creative enough but still i am on top ladder ^^ the main point is its annoying to face that kind of stall team because it took a lot of time and effort just to bring one core down. have you ever in a match when your only poke who can deal a lot of dmg to slowbro alrd dead, when you still have 4/5 pokes alive and opponent only have REGENERATOR slowbro + bliisey/ferro and they keep switch without any meaning even though their team 100% lose. And yet it took so much time to bring them down because they keep recover its called TIME WASTING. I alrd comment about mew you might want to read it again, i have jolly 31 atk weavile it cant 2hko slowbro with Knockoff. Bisharp cant 1hko slowbro without SD boost, in that case you will prefer have lum berry instead of black glasses since he still can 1hko slowbro as long as it has SD and to protect ur self from twave. yes tyra maybe can do that, but again i will need to have proper sand team or else i cast sand stream for nothing except to hurt my own team with the chip dmg, so i should rework my whole team to fit with tyra just to beat a slowbro? If you let your pokemon designated to beat slowbro die then it is not an issue of how good the core is, it's how you play your team. Also, if a slowbro is at full health it isn't wise to stay in and knock off knowing it won't kill. You have to save Bisharp for a late game sweep and wait until Slowbro is weakened. And Tyranitar's sand does affect your team but it also weakens the opponents team so you aren't at any disadvantage. Stall is a fair style of play and it does take some time to beat depending on how you play but it is not better than any other style of play. I will read what you said about Mew over again and reply.

Sry for my lack of credibility. Im sure yours is good enough for your point of view. Be sure i read every post carefully in here and i know why gothitelle is banned in showdown. I think i made my point clear and i wont repeat myself over and over again, I just wanna say one more time: This is pro, not showdown. Tr3y, have you read what I, a ranked player both in PRO and smogon, have said? Accusing someone of "lacking credibility" shouldn't ever happen in a decent discussion whatsoever, if someone who doesn't know anything about pvp comes in here and says "pls ban talonflame" or "pls ban sableye prankster" I would have answered the same way I did with the "experienced" players regarding gothitelle: Now this: First: sorry for the dc during in our battle, battery died x.x Second: there are ways of countering gothitelle EVEN with some of the very pokemon you mentioned, saying one pokemon rendering so many pokemon unusable is an exaggeration, with the right moveset special attackers can make gothitelle 100% useless. Let it go for physical or unexpected hybrids, but hey that's way off from the bible that is smogon, I wouldn't dare even mentioning something so blasphemous :( Third: Gothitelle shuts down meta pokemon right now... Slowbro is meta because it shuts down (by switching in and out) heavy physical attackers (talonflame / weavile / machamp and so on), I feel like slowbro shuts down waaaay more pokemon than gothitelle does. I've read everything you said Sharlank. About your 3rd statement. It shouldn't matter how hard it is to obtain gothitelle or how rare it is. The main priority should be to keep the metagame healthy. Your 1st statement doesn't make any sense also. Just because pokemon showdown has tiers doesn't mean this game can't. There are tiers for games other than pokemon as well. They shouldn't only be limited to pokemon showdown. #2 You are right, it is not impossible to counter Gothitelle but in order to do so you have to build half of your team just to deal with it. This deems the pokemon over-centralized and doesn't encourage diversity within the metagame. This is the same reason Speed Boost Blaziken is banned from OU in showdown. When I see your claims all I see is, "We shouldn't ban shadow tag Gothitelle because tanky mons are hard to break without it and it is a hard pokemon to obtain. And we shouldn't have tiers in this game because that would mean copying pokemon showdown." This isn't logical at all and encourages an unhealthy PvP metagame.

seriously dude, have you really try it in PRO? because all you do is you count it with dmg calculator where all of those pokemon are PERFECT, its not pokemon showdown dude. and seriously who wanna hold dark glasses instead of lum berry for them? also, those knock off dmg you count is with item held and is that adamant weavile? I think you don't understand what i mean by double edge sword. Everyone know that kind of taunt mew are slot waster in team for pro meta, because sableye can do way better and sableye are very hard to get. And for nasty plot mew ofcourse you need at least a decent mew or else it wont really usefull in competitive scene. and you only think the scenario when you only fight Slowbro + Blissey, you dont think other factor from their teammates its 6v6 afterall. the whole point is if even a dark type like weavile and bisharp cant event 2hko slowbro there is almost no way to kill it if he still able to switch out. I have tried every single one of these in PRO and they work fine. Taunt in Mew is not a slot waster because its role is to stall break. That's exactly what taunt does. I have nothing against you but you have to be a little more creative in your team building and bring the proper counters to deal with them. They aren't unbeatable. And btw that is a Jolly Weavile. And Black Glasses is very viable on Bisharp. It can net OHKOs that a lum berry Bisharp can't. And if anything the calculations are not in favor of Slowbro and Blissey because like you said, nobody has a all 31 ivs. I understand exactly what you mean about tyranitar too. It can beat Slowbro + Blissey and if they have a defogger like Mandibuzz it beats that too. You should try to do a little predicting also when facing these too. It is very easy to gauge when each of them will come in.

Bisharp - 252+ Atk Black Glasses Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 282-332 (71.5 - 84.2%) - Easy 2hko even when Slowbro isn't holding an item. Weavile - 252 Atk Black Glasses Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 248-294 (62.9 - 74.6%) - Same for Weavile Tyranitar doesn't need the support of Excadrill and other mons to be effective due to its naturally high attack stat and bulk in the sand. Any Mew with Taunt, Soft-boiled, Knock Off, Will-o-Wisp / Nasty Plot, Giga Drain, Psychock can break Slowbro + Blissey Core Regardless of IVs and Nature. You don't need a perfect Mew for it to be effective. Togekiss can break the Slowbro + Blissey core with Nasty Plot, Heal Bell, Air Slash, Roost. More details can be found here: https://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/togekiss/ Talonflame can't switch into breloom easily because of Spore and the potential Rock Tomb. 252 Atk Technician Breloom Rock Tomb vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 520-612 (175 - 206%) -- guaranteed OHKO There are plenty of ways to break this core. You just have to be creative in your team building to try and cover these mons. Even Scizor can counter this core with Swords Dance, Knock Off / X-Scissor, Superpower. +2 252+ Atk Scizor X-Scissor vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 392-464 (99.4 - 117.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock +2 252+ Atk Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 1042-1226 (145.9 - 171.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Talonflame doesn't render so many pokemon unusable. You can easily switch to a counter such as Tyranitar, Slowbro, Arcanine, Hippowdown, Gliscor, Donphan, etc. You can even put stealth rocks on the field to make talonflame lose 50% upon switch in. Extremespeed users like Dragonite can pick Talonflame off as well.

Well there are many stall breakers that can deal with Blissey and Slowbro Such as Tyranitar, Weavile, Bisharp, Togekiss, Mew, Breloom, (Gothitelle xD), etc. And when Pursuit is working it will trap Slowbros trying to switch out even.

Exactly. If it's not banned then I guess I will have to use mine as well.

The ability, shadow tag, in general should be banned. Gothitelle is just more popular between the two.

Thx for your details, ill try to keep up with u: Shadow tag shouldnt be banned for obvious reasons lol.... :Shocked: :y: Actually i dont know u, i dont know what team u use or how good u play, so i just wanna know: what kinda team u usually use?^^ If you want details try scrolling up and reading what RANKED players have posted. If that isn't enough for you then you should go check out the reasons smogon gave for banning it. It's not competitive, over-powered, and should be banned regardless. Not just Gothitelle but other shadow tag users as well. You lack credibility my friend.

Shadow Tag should be banned for obvious reasons lol....

Why isn't Shadow Tag banned already? Surprised we have to discuss this.

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The top 20 PvP pokemon in my opinion are -Blissey -Togekiss -Breloom -Talonflame -Bisharp -Dragonite -Tyranitar -Excadrill -Ferrothorn -Magnezone -Slowbro -Starmie -Scizor -Sableye -Azumarill -Blaziken (Speed Boost ofc) -Machamp -Garchomp -Weavile -Arcanine

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