PRO Viability Rankings (PVP)

[Expendable99]

i totally agrre that azumaril should be dropped from S to A+, too many counters and ferrothorn is on every second team anyways, it is slow and predictable also not that often seen nowadays

 

Ill give you the slow(but has aqua jet) and predictable. However, its still immensely popular on red server, is easy to obtain a very good one, beats all sand mons, does very well agianst rain bar ludicolo, and can always run superpower if the user has no fero answer, and only a handful of mons can resist both its stabs. Ive seen bellydrum, assault vest , and band sets all have success in the top 25 of red server. Also cant forget the ever coveted fairy typing.

 

How easy the pokemon is to catch should not have any part to play in its viability in pvp.

 

That aside, lets compare Azumarill to the other S ranked mons:

Choice band is Azumarill's only effective set. If you run B-drum you'll get foul played or revenged. This set does nothing against teams that are prepared. If you run assault vest you'll hit like a wet rag.

252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 123-145 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

This thing is so weak without band.

The only viable sets would be band and the sap sipper non-set which isn't that great atm due to the devs not wanting to properly code any moves.

 

Azumarill vs Clef: Clef can fulfill many roles on all types of teams. You have the defensive calm mind set, as well as the defensive utility set, both of which are great. In those sets you can have variation too, as you can switch up the coverage move. Compare that to Azumarill, which can pretty much only switch between knock off and superpower. Clef can fit on many types of teams, such as stall, balance, defensive, and even on offensive teams. Azumarill's pretty much only limited to offensive and balance, teams, sometimes on webs HO. The only thing Azumarill can do is attack, whereas Clef can attack, tank hits, and set up the coveted rocks. It also has that sweet mono-fairy typing, which is broken, and magic guard, which is also broken.

Azumarill vs Talon: Talon does goddamn everything. The specially defensive set pretty much gets by all of Talonflame's standard counters bar Mandibuzz and Tyranitar, and even those have to fear getting wisped on the switchin. Priority roost is super powerful on defensive oriented teams. Talonflame is also a fearsome offensive threat, definitely more centralizing than Azumarill, as it outspeeds literally every mon except other Talonflames. In those sets you have variation as well, leading Talonflame to be very unpredictable, as people can opt to run mono-flying, flare blitz, or w-o-w. W-o-w especially screws over sand teams by wisping the Ttar, which pretty much puts it out of the game. The only thing keeping it unbanned is its horrible typing.

Another thing holding Azumarill back is the fact that it's limited to a single choiced attack, whereas the other two S ranked pokemon are not since they use boosting moves. Even if you get rid of their Azumarill switchin and pick up a KO, chances are your sweep stops there since they can pick a pokemon that resists the move that you've selected. However, with Talonflame or Clefable, once you take out the pokemon that walls it, you pretty much win since they can use coverage moves to get by.

[Kingpin19]

Nice post :)

[Tr3y]

Name: Entei

Current tier: A

Desired tier: A- / Possibly B+

Reason: Prevalence of water bulky waters on every team. Suicune, Politoed, and Slowbro to be exact. It just can't do much when these are on the opposing team.

 

Name: Mandibuzz

Current tier: B+

Desired tier: A-

Reason: Addition of Foul Play

 

Name: Quagsire

Current tier: A-

Desired tier: C+

Reason: Failure to code Unaware correctly

[Theakalli]

Honestly,I would consider Putting mandibuzz is A.(following to tr3ys post) This mon is really solid with the addition of foul play.It is a very solid defogger,and foul play can punish pretty much every physical attackers.

[Envymeister]

[mention]Enforcer[/mention] I believe NidoGod deserve to climb :P

A- to A, since a Life Orb Naive NidoGod is a really good Wallbreaker, only walls are chansey+Blissey, but these are threaten once u have rocks Up, and Nidoking has Superpower. So i believe Nidoking should climb at least one rank :D

 

Name: Nidoking

Current tier: A-

Desired tier: A or A+

Reason: Simply Lacks of Checkers/OP wallbreaker (many pokes can kill it, but few can tank 2 shots from it)

[Xxxfordmondeo]

idk if someone wrote this already but why are greninja and aegislash not in tier a or something?

sry if there is an answer couldnt find it.

[Mebzerg]

Because stance change and protean are not coded. Because of this aegislash is worse than doublade and greninja is just a meh special attacker.

[Xxxfordmondeo]

Because stance change and protean are not coded. Because of this aegislash is worse than doublade and greninja is just a meh special attacker.

oh ok thanks :/

are there any plans for the future to code these abilities?

[Xerodeaths]

Please update

[Killarusca]

Please update

I second this