Pikpachu Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 The main reason you dont see landorus spammed in pvp battles is because people dont wanna waste rerolls (nature or iv or both) to make theirs usable. I ve personally played over 350pvp this season and landorus incarnate was poorely used by 2 or 3 players with calm mind set 1 of them i think was bold. Still it gave me tons of trouble and i think i lost cause of it some of the games even though the players werent that competitive on pvp since their teams seemed like they have no reasoning.(Weren't h.o or balanced). Imagine experienced players trying to abuse it who have enough pvp coins/money to get a decent/perfect landrous what could they do. Before i make a team i already have to think of ways not to get sweeped by manaphy cause a serious pvper using manaphy has either rain or h.o with reflect/light screen/sticky web coverage. 1 pokemon alone isnt enough to beat the meta but as you see its enough to change it in a more monotone style. In my opinion monotone is boring. Allowing such poke run free on pvp enables competitive pvpers to adapt their teams around same sets and you lose the creativity in pvp. To sum up i wish landorus incarnate sheer force to be banned because i dont wanna live the toxicity that will come forth if you dont ban it either that is on the community or the PvP battle stage. And dont forget pro pvp rules adapt on ladder tournament as well that is on showdown so the perfect ivs are not so unbearable there. That's all from me. Peace and love! Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0da Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 116 Matches - 62 wins - 53,4% Winrate on Gold 423 Matches - 236 Wins - 55,79% Winrate on Silver This is for people with above 200 rating. This in on par with other things based on usage stats however I would suspect some are higher if you filter out bad players and only filter by rating +200. Greninja? People cried and wanted it banned, it got coded because it wouldn't stay banned. Shaymin-Sky? It was insta banned and people complained about it being an option against Manaphy and that we are dumb for banning it. Baton Pass? We get yelled at for banning it in a test-period while its banned on Showdown. Now with Lando people come and yell its "Uber","its banned on Showdown/Smogon". PRO is not a battle simulator, it's not showdown/smogon or that other unnamed Pokemon MMO. I wanted a PvP council because of this fact, people don't know what they want, especially in this community. There are like 5 people in this thread who understood this thread for example: Jorogumo  It seems like we can't win regardless of what we do, any and all PvP suggestions by me got instantly shutdown to change up the meta like rotating bans to allow a more versatile PvP game but at this point, I can just really say. Enjoy your 6 tanks and 1 hour matches. From the looks of it and people complaining about it, it's gonna get banned but really its just meh.   "This is for people with above 200 rating." please stop using this sentence.its just making your arguement less valuable....and stop pointing out the winrates i pro.im not trying to be toxic but its super cringe cause i am tired of typing that people on pro tha make ladder are not even decent anymore...so imagine if people on ladder are not even decentmhow bad players with 200-300 rating are...and you taking them as a factor to point statistics as an arguement 1 Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acidac Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 You don't compare landorus with blaziken speed boost without a reason. With other words, ban h.a land. 1 Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcschitter Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 With all due respect, the current policy with regard to PvP has no basis in suspect tests and bears almost no relation to the concept. Suspect tests are conducted to gather information on the Pokemon, move, item, or ability in question. Banning Baton Pass before any consideration is not a suspect test. Asking if a Pokemon that has been available for two weeks but is difficult to access (reroll tickets + ability capsule) should be banned is not a suspect test. There has never been a suspect test on PRO, because half the voters in any given test have never played with nor against the thing being tested. There needs to be a real mechanism for suspect testing, preferably one which artificially inflates the usage of the topic in question - as the things the community at large consider broken are inaccessible to many. If staff prefer to continue to manage the metagame by decree, that is perfectly fine, but neither this nor other recent actions have resembled a suspect test at all.  Think this a very accurate depiction of my issue with the current process. We can be different from showdown and not ban the pokemon but we need a real test. Honestly do not think it is even possible in the current state because of rerolls to get any real data. If we were serious about this we should track rerolls used after a certain point and revert rolls if a player wants to for this pokemon so that people who already had a landorus T they were happy with are not punished for rolling an incarnate with better spatk. If it would not end up banned you took the risk rerolling anyways or if it is maybe you liked the lando you rolled into anyways. People have hated this suggestion but it ensures people are not as scared that this being banned is a money waste.  Check out my YOUTUBE if you like fun shenanigans: https://www.youtube.com/c/McSchitter Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qeight Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 "This is for people with above 200 rating." please stop using this sentence.its just making your arguement less valuable....and stop pointing out the winrates i pro.im not trying to be toxic but its super cringe cause i am tired of typing that people on pro tha make ladder are not even decent anymore...so imagine if people on ladder are not even decentmhow bad players with 200-300 rating are...and you taking them as a factor to point statistics as an arguement If people are not decent on ladder, then who the hell is playing PvP or wants to make decisions for the PvP environment. Some guy who hasn't played in a year? Why don't we outsource the PvP council to PokeOne's council and let players decide who don't even play the same game? This such irresponsible and illogical thinking. Winrates for a certain group of people give away a lot.  That this community barely knows what they want, they showed that very openly in the last thread about stuff: Baton Pass and now Lando One group wants it to be showdown, the other doesn't, the other group hasn't played at all but wants to make somehow decisions because like it somewhere on a battle simulator. Your appeal will be replied to as soon as the case handling staff member is available. We are all just volunteers with real life responsibilities, other interests and limited free time. Spamming your appeal will not yield a faster reply. Bumps every 24 hours will not(!) increase your chances for a faster reply.   Do not contact staff members for private support. Share your question on the forum due to it being of use for others. Please use the proper forum as well. Unsolicited messages will be deleted. Thanks. Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0da Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 If people are not decent on ladder, then who the hell is playing PvP or wants to make decisions for the PvP environment. Some guy who hasn't played in a year? Why don't we outsource the PvP council to PokeOne's council and let players decide who don't even play the same game? This such irresponsible and illogical thinking. Winrates for a certain group of people give away a lot. That this community barely knows what they want, they showed that very openly in the last thread about stuff: Baton Pass and now Lando One group wants it to be showdown, the other doesn't, the other group hasn't played at all but wants to make somehow decisions because like it somewhere on a battle simulator.  You dont need to play pvp to understand wheather something deserves a ban or not.And since we are taking shots,i believe i udnerstand pretty well how meta works...the "some guy" as you recall it got 730 points the last time i was playing the game just cause i understand how it works. If you wanna throw in stats in every post then keep doing it.but since people seems to understand actions better than theory,then what youa re trying to show to the community is that a baby cannot kill you with its hands.I happen to allready know that.but do you?cuase it doesnt seem like you do. 1 Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autobots Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Well i dont think landorus will be big hit in the meta since mostly teams will have a weavile,a banded azumarill ,greninja or even a gengar with icy wind or hp ice and ofcourse rain teams. These things can easily OHKO landorus and since the mons in pro will not be perfect with ivs it makes thr more vulnerable . And some might have wasted their rerols on landorus and ability change capsules which will be of no use if it is banned. Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vithu96 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 You don't compare landorus with blaziken speed boost without a reason. With other words, ban h.a land. Real talk Lando should be banned, rock polish lando can 6-0 teams, I'm not exaggerating, without priority, the 550+ Speed mon with sheer force/life orb can blow teams away. 1 Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keabu Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Rotom-Wash - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-Wash: 153-181 (50.4 - 59.7%) -- 84% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Wash: 110-131 (36.1 - 43%) -- 96.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Wash: 139-165 (45.8 - 54.4%) -- 7.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery  Ferrothorn - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 148-175 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 175-207 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 67.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ferrothorn: 216-255 (61.3 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 185-218 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 265-312 (75.2 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 309-367 (87.7 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO Gliscor - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 208+ SpD Gliscor: 286-338 (81.2 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 400-473 (113.6 - 134.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO Alomomola - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 422-499 (79 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Chansey - 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Superpower vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 361-426 (51.3 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 257-304 (36.5 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Skarmory - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 270-318 (80.8 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Quagsire - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 321-380 (81.4 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Clefable - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 175-208 (44.4 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 250-294 (63.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Zapdos - 4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 179-213 (46.7 - 55.6%) -- 18.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 177-208 (46.2 - 54.3%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 172-203 (44.9 - 53%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Garchomp - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 261-308 (62.1 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 359-426 (85.4 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO Muk-Alola - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 192+ SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 234-276 (56.6 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO AV Conkeldurr - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 157-187 (44.7 - 53.2%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO AV Tyranitar - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 218-260 (53.9 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO  Heatran (lol) - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 629-749 (162.9 - 194%) -- guaranteed OHKO  Here are some funny calcs. Basically, if you have an HP Ice Lando with H.A, you can break through almost every walls in the current state of the game. (if you look at those calcs, the following set (hidden power ice, sludge wave, earth power, focus blast) is ONLY getting "checked" by Chansey. (but you're not running 6 landos in your team and you are supposed to have an answer to the pink blob) Don't you find this already beyond broken ? Allowing sheer force lando which is a monster (cannot be checked effectively, amazing double typing, legendary stats, good speed and insane coverage) is a complete nonsense imo. You can't just let it in the game EVEN if it has a low usage. Would you bring ubers like Reshiram and Zekrom because "'it's hard to get a good one" ? Usage is not a valid argument in this case. Here are more calcs with more offensive mons : Gengar - 252 SpA Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 177-208 (55.4 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Choice Specs Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 262-310 (82.1 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gengar: 572-678 (219.1 - 259.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO Banded Dragonite - 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 160-189 (50.1 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 156-185 (48.2 - 57.2%) -- 91.4% chance to 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragonite: 312-369 (96.5 - 114.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO Regular Conkeldurr - 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 63-74 (19.7 - 23.1%) -- possible 5HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 321-380 (77.5 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 321-380 (91.4 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO Banded Azumarill - 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 387-458 (113.1 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 274-324 (80.1 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Banded Scizor - 252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 177-208 (55.4 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 274-324 (85 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO +2 Breloom - +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 152-179 (47.6 - 56.1%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 236 HP / 176 SpD Breloom: 382-450 (119.3 - 140.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Togekiss - 252 SpA Togekiss Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 156-184 (48.9 - 57.6%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Togekiss: 286-338 (91.9 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO Bisharp - 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 175-207 (54.8 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 611-720 (225.4 - 265.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Volcarona - 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 265-312 (83 - 97.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Volcarona: 218-257 (70 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 634-749 (203.8 - 240.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO Manaphy - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Manaphy: 227-269 (66.5 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Kingdra - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 239-282 (81.8 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Greninja (in case you wanted to switch-in on it) - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 302-356 (105.9 - 124.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO Weavile (same as stated above) - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 261-308 (92.8 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO And don't forget Lando has access to the following moves : - Calm Mind - Rock Polish - Stealth Rock - Defog - Bulk Up - Swords Dance - U-Turn - Knock Off ^ Means a LOT of different sets that can work with this mon. I'm 100% for the ban. Edited May 22, 2020 by Keabu 9  My Pokemon shop  Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vithu96 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Rotom-Wash - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-Wash: 153-181 (50.4 - 59.7%) -- 84% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Wash: 110-131 (36.1 - 43%) -- 96.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Wash: 139-165 (45.8 - 54.4%) -- 7.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Ferrothorn - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 148-175 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 175-207 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 67.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ferrothorn: 216-255 (61.3 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 185-218 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 265-312 (75.2 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 309-367 (87.7 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO Gliscor - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 208+ SpD Gliscor: 286-338 (81.2 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 400-473 (113.6 - 134.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO Alomomola - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 422-499 (79 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Chansey - 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Superpower vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 361-426 (51.3 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 257-304 (36.5 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Skarmory - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 270-318 (80.8 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Quagsire - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 321-380 (81.4 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Clefable - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 175-208 (44.4 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 250-294 (63.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Zapdos - 4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 179-213 (46.7 - 55.6%) -- 18.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 177-208 (46.2 - 54.3%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 172-203 (44.9 - 53%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Garchomp - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 261-308 (62.1 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 359-426 (85.4 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO Muk-Alola - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 192+ SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 234-276 (56.6 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO AV Conkeldurr - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 157-187 (44.7 - 53.2%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO AV Tyranitar - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 218-260 (53.9 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO  Heatran (lol) - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 629-749 (162.9 - 194%) -- guaranteed OHKO  Here are some funny calcs. Basically, if you have an HP Ice Lando with H.A, you can break through almost every walls in the current state of the game. (if you look at those calcs, the following set (hidden power ice, sludge wave, earth power, focus blast) is ONLY getting "checked" by Chansey. (but you're not running 6 landos in your team and you are supposed to have an answer to the pink blob) Don't you find this already beyond broken ? Allowing sheer force lando which is a monster (cannot be checked effectively, amazing double typing, legendary stats, good speed and insane coverage) is a complete nonsense imo. You can't just let it in the game EVEN if it has a low usage. Would you bring ubers like Reshiram and Zekrom because "'it's hard to get a good one" ? Usage is not a valid argument in this case. Here are more calcs with more offensive mons : Gengar - 252 SpA Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 177-208 (55.4 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Choice Specs Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 262-310 (82.1 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gengar: 572-678 (219.1 - 259.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO Banded Dragonite - 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 160-189 (50.1 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 156-185 (48.2 - 57.2%) -- 91.4% chance to 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragonite: 312-369 (96.5 - 114.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO Regular Conkeldurr - 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 63-74 (19.7 - 23.1%) -- possible 5HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 321-380 (77.5 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 321-380 (91.4 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO Banded Azumarill - 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 387-458 (113.1 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 274-324 (80.1 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Banded Scizor - 252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 177-208 (55.4 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 274-324 (85 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO +2 Breloom - +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 152-179 (47.6 - 56.1%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 236 HP / 176 SpD Breloom: 382-450 (119.3 - 140.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Togekiss - 252 SpA Togekiss Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 156-184 (48.9 - 57.6%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Togekiss: 286-338 (91.9 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO Bisharp - 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 175-207 (54.8 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 611-720 (225.4 - 265.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Volcarona - 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 265-312 (83 - 97.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Volcarona: 218-257 (70 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - 4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 634-749 (203.8 - 240.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO Manaphy - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Manaphy: 227-269 (66.5 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Kingdra - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 239-282 (81.8 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Greninja (in case you wanted to switch-in on it) - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 302-356 (105.9 - 124.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO Weavile (same as stated above) - 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 261-308 (92.8 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO And don't forget Lando has access to the following moves : - Calm Mind - Rock Polish - Stealth Rock - Defog - Bulk Up - Swords Dance - U-Turn - Knock Off ^ Means a LOT of different sets that can work with this mon. I'm 100% for the ban. I agree, because of its unpredictability of its inmense move pool it should be banned. 5 Link to comment https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/150862-pvp-feedback-landorus/page/5/#findComment-831631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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