Mawilite - Metagrossite - Sablenite - Greninja Ban Envelope

[Liz]

15 minutes ago, Eric66 said:

And when will they get released?

 

Generation 7 is the only hope.  to get out of this boring goal.

 

As they go, I suppose there is a long way to go.  Not even rockruff have the 3 evo fixed, also komala's ability has not been added.

[Liz]

6 minutes ago, Eric66 said:

you are done and swept. Quiver Dance Volcarona can not be stopped even by Chansey/Blissey, cause its gonna 2 hit ko it. With this logic, we should ban everything that has any type of set up move. 

 

if not also what do you tell me about mega latios / as with the calm mind refresh and psyshock that sweeps up to chansey

 

I see it broken and it is not forbidden

[Buneary]

Hey guy's i'm the dude with the 23m Mawile. 

Press F for respects. 

But I agree with this post more so on the pvp councils thoughts were completely ignored on these bans. 
If there is a ban so be it however if you have pvp council to guide that decision ,and you don't listen or don't care about the feedback then that's an issue.

 

Although I got to say hopefully I can beat the stall meta one day in Gen 7. :T

 

Mega Mawile for the win! 

 

[Cruelgreen]

15 minutes ago, Buneary said:

Hey guy's i'm the dude with the 23m Mawile. 

Press F for respects. 

But I agree with this post more so on the pvp councils thoughts were completely ignored on these bans. 
If there is a ban so be it however if you have pvp council to guide that decision ,and you don't listen or don't care about the feedback then that's an issue.

 

Although I got to say hopefully I can beat the stall meta one day in Gen 7. :T

 

Mega Mawile for the win! 

 

Reminds me my sableye

[Cosanostra]

4 hours ago, GDarch said:

-1. 

 

I’ve read so many complaints about the recent bans decided by Walross. For me, he did the right thing and the only argument I can actually understand is that Walross should have let people know about these bans before the release of the Pokemon.

 

Regarding complaints about Greninja ban, people interested in Pokemon from a « competitive » perspective should know that Showdown players agreed to ban it in 6G with ORAS released. ORAS giving to Greninja all its coverage moves like low kick, gunk shot and one of the reasons it can actually pressure in an unhealthy way, so many teams.

https://www.smogon.com/smog/issue44/ou-to-ubers

It’s not because we, players, have been able to use it during years that this means Greninja is OK for the meta.

 

Mega sableye/mega Mawile are Pokemon that obviously restrict team building way too much and should be banned for that very reason.

 

Mega Metagross ban is also fine in my opinion regarding how bulky, fast and powerful this Pokemon is although, Unlike the other two I could understand it being unbanned regarding how it suffers from 4 moves syndrome.

 

Arguments about how popular a Pokemon is, are totally irrelevant when you must decide a ban.  

ex: I like Lucario, Mega Lucario should be allowed in pvp. LOL

 

Arguments like « but I can tank it with... or revenge kill it with » are also limited if you are referring to uncommon/unused Pokemon for the benefit of a broken one.

ex:  I can tank Mega Mawile with Impish Arcanine. Yes bro, and what do you do with this super dog against other teams -_-.

 

I think we can all agree that revenge killing Aegislash could be done with many Pokemon but this is not sufficient for it to be allowed.

 

I can see it coming already, people telling me « PRO is not Showdown, PRO has its own META, PRO players don’t have  the Showdown players skills etc. » I could say yes to all these questions but did we do anything to show it to Walross when we could do it? I mean did we, as players, argument about wanting our own meta? 

 

https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/132015-pros-pvp-inconsistencies-in-regards-to-moveability-combinations/?tab=comments#comment-724941

 

When Staff asks for our opinions only few people show interest about it, but when decisions are finally made, many complaints come, lol. 

 

PRO has its own specificity since we either have to farm or buy Pvp Pokemon. Is this specificity the only reason why PRO meta is so stale and resilient to changes and diversities? 

For me the answer is no. This is all due to the laziness, miscommunication and intellectuall dishonesty of all people involved in PRO.

I totally agree with everything you said. You summed up the situation very well. I don't know if you are member of PvP Council actualy. If not I hope you join this Council. soon
Gdarch president when ?

Edited April 24, 2021 by CosaNostra

[Cruelgreen]

1 minute ago, CosaNostra said:

I totally agree with everything you said. You summed up the situation very well. I don't know if you are member of PvP Council actualy. If not I hope you join soon this Council.
Gdarch president when ?

That would be 2nd worst thing happaned this year.

[G3n3r4l]

2 hours ago, Eric66 said:

Yes, but why would you let it set it up? I mean, if thats the reason of the ban, than thats worse than anything. Doesnt matter what you let set up, unless you have unaware/answer to that poke, you are done and swept. Quiver Dance Volcarona can not be stopped even by Chansey/Blissey, cause its gonna 2 hit ko it. With this logic, we should ban everything that has any type of set up move. 

setting up for mawile is one turn, that turn, can be when zapdos switches in. You don't switch in mawile on a zapdos. however you're saying you switch a zapdos on a mawile. during that turn you spend switching, mawile is clicking swords dance. and when mawile clicked swords dance, zapdos can't live. 

 

And please look at these things logically. if you have a chansey on your team, you go into it right away if a volcarona switches in, that way there are no turns spent setting up for it, you basically just force it to switch out right away.

[Sarks]

@g3n3r4l

am still waiting for your answer! and am pretty sure that many other players are interest  to hear what you will see! 
if you dont remember i will attach a screenshot and also i will type again my question.

you said: " i mean right now, all the pokes currently in the game have been around for a long time. currently as we can see from the pvp council discord, there are no active debates going on, so nothing is at risk. volc and char are basically at no rosk of being banned though, so you're fine with them"

 

first i want to say : before 2 or 3 years greninja was in the list of pokemon that it was in no risk for getting ban. but now it is banned. suddenly. 
since it  was in no risk back in 2-3 years there are exist players that give hours-days- months of their time to hunt an epic unique one back then. or there are players that paid 5-30m to buy epic one, back in those years again. 

so suddenly we learned before some months that greninja now is at risk. and it will might get ban. 

now about my question : this thing it might happen for any other pokemon in the next 2 years.  since it happens for greninja. then who can guarantee that it will not happen again (for example) for charizard? 

so since noone can guarantee that then answer to the players plz,  : why to try hard and spend their hours to find an epic unique poke or try hard to gather pokemoney to pay for an epic poke or in the worst case to spend their money  to buy coin capsules and get fast the amount of pokemoney that they need in order to buy an epic unique poke ,   since there is no guarantee from anyone that this poke in the future it might get ban !!!! even if its in no risk now ofc.

 

 

 

am sorry for my bad english.  i tryed to type it as simple as  i could.

Edited April 24, 2021 by sarks

[Ghabra]

What i'm about to say is going to get alot of hate so let's get this over with.

While i understand your anger and frustration , you need to know that  pokemon pvp is not a game where you can exactly predict what's going to be really op in the meta 100% ( with exceptions of course ) . I myself wrote a post months ago about banning mega sableye , but i was never in favor of  instantly banning it. Everything deserves a chance , and it's your job to keep up with the pvp meta and try and predict what is going to be and not going to be banned , and act accordingly . That is what winrate and usage stats are for at the end of each month ( i know i'm contradicting myself a bit here because it hasnt been a month since wave 3 , but if you kept up a bit with what was going on on the pvp cuncil, you would have known that alot of  well known big pvp names and council members have been demanding a mawile ban and a sableye ban was inevitable if mawile gets banned since they come in a pack) , not to mention that people have been crying FOREVER  in the pvp council fora greninja ban. Pro staff are not obligated to tell you what will be banned, do your own research for that.

 

 

You re complaining about spending hours hunting only for pro to ban that said mon , but look at another game like Yu-gi-oh.

People are spending actual money to buy the cards , (unlike pro which uses virtual money) , and are buying and selling them all the time for insane prices . Here are some examples: (as of current date)

-Ten Thousand Dragon, worth around $188

-Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier, worth  around $171

- Sengenjin, worth around $107

And yet , Konami bans /limits Yu-gi-oh cards OUT OF NOWHERE  ALL THE TIME. People are losing ACTUAL MONEY because of this . So, what's the solution to this you ask? They just keep up with the meta and the usage stats , and predict what is going to be banned or limited and sell them beforehand. It's not Konami's job to refund the players who lost their money , it's their job to balance the game. And this is the exact same case with pro right now.

 

Although the banning process was handled very poorly from walross and the rest of the staff , these bans were kind of predictable if you have taken 10 minutes of your time  to look at #council-chat in the pro pvp council discord. Heck if you asked any decent player , they would have told you that mawile and greninja are absolutely broken in the current meta state. Sorry to say this but money frog has overstayed it's welcome , i agree with these quickbans ( aside from metagross , but if that's the sacrifice i have to make to get rid of the others, i'll take it any day of the week) 

Edited April 24, 2021 by Ghabra

[Cruelgreen]

10 minutes ago, Ghabra said:

What i'm about to say is going to get alot of hate so let's get this over with.

While i understand your anger and frustration , you need to know that  pokemon pvp is not a game where you can exactly predict what's going to be really op in the meta 100% ( with exceptions of course ) . I myself wrote a post months ago about banning mega sableye , but i was never in favor of  instantly banning it. Everything deserves a chance , and it's your job to keep up with the pvp meta and try and predict what is going to be and not going to be banned , and act accordingly . That is what winrate and usage stats are for at the end of each month ( i know i'm contradicting myself a bit here because it hasnt been a month since wave 3 , but if you kept up a bit with what was going on on the pvp cuncil, you would have known that alot of  well known big pvp names and council members have been demanding a mawile ban and a sableye ban was inevitable if mawile gets banned since they come in a pack) , not to mention that people have been crying FOREVER  in the pvp council fora greninja ban. Pro staff is not obligated to tell you what will be banned, do your own research for that.

 

 

You re complaining about spending hours hunting only for pro to ban that said mon , but look at another game like Yu-gi-oh.

People are spending actual money to buy the cards , (unlike pro which uses virtual money) , and are buying and selling them all the time for insane prices . Here are some examples: (as of current date)

-Ten Thousand Dragon, worth around $188

-Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier, worth  around $171

- Sengenjin, worth around $107

And yet , Konami bans /limits Yu-gi-oh cards OUT OF NOWHERE  ALL THE TIME. People are losing ACTUAL MONEY because of this . So, what's the solution to this you ask? They just keep up with the meta and the usage stats , and predict what is going to be banned or limited and sell them beforehand. It's not Konami's job to refund the players who lost their money , it's their job to balance the game. And this is the exact same case with pro right now.

 

Although the banning process was handled very poorly from walross and the rest of the staff , these bans were kind of predictable if you have taken 10 minutes of your time  to look at #council-chat in the pro pvp council discord. Heck if you asked any decent player , they would have told you that mawile and greninja are absolutely broken in the current meta state. Sorry to say this but money frog has overstayed it's welcome , i agree with these quickbans ( aside from metagross , but if that's the sacrifice i have to make to get rid of the others, i'll take it any day of the week) 

We arent playing yu gi oh 

We playing "Pokemon" Revolution Online