Ban aegislash from pvp

[Swaglordx]

just ban it. yes its fun to use and its a new mon but lets be honest its a little too strong for the options availble in pro rn having to tailor one or 2 mons specifically to deal with it and then having to spend the whole game protecting those 2 mons just incase aegi hits the field is kinda dumb anyone saying -1 clearly just wants to abuse its raw power to gain free wins

[Beachboybwustur]

+1. Saying that Aegislash shouldn't be banned because there are ways to counter it doesn't make sense. There are ways to counter Genesect, Landorus-I, Blaziken, etc, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed. Also, Aegislash is a lot harder to counter than these Pokemon. Aegislash can be used with at least 5 different natures (Adamant, Rash, Quiet, Sassy, Brave), has King's Shield, and a ton of resistances and immunities.

 

These factors alone are not necessarily enough to decide whether Aegislash is broken or not. It is the combination of all these things that make Aegislash broken.

[Amaske]

+1

Seriously it's an UBER mon , how do u expect to fit that in OU meta lol

And how in the world banning Blaziken and Landorus-I makes sense and banning Aegislash does not

Smogon haven't banned it for fun , Aegislash is broken rn and will always be broken for OU

So it should be banned whatever the opinions of people are , if not then unban HA Blaziken , HA Landorus I , Shaymin-Sky and make the PRO meta a totally different thing from normal

[Iceflake]

If anything we shouldnt ban it outright, another solution is to give it the gen 8 nerf which gives it a base 140 def and spdef (defense form) and 140 atk and spatk (sword form) and it sits pretty comphy in uu bl in gen 8 and that gen has very few mons in its nat dex.

[Magicspellx]

Aegislash was UBER and VERY FUCKING USEFULL in Smogon UBER metagame @GEN07;

it's kinda strange that in PRO we have AEGISLASH in OU metagame with less pokemons that GEN7 Smogon.

No sense, Aegislash it's a broken pokemon, as Mega Gengar, Mega Lucario, Mega Salamance, Mewtwo and others, staff needs to be fast and ban this pokemon asap for PvP battles, or create an Uber Metagame.

[Papabeer]

-1 sorry this will be a long post : after reading this post and seeing how and why ppl strugle vs it i thought to post this on how i deal with it with around a 80-90% winrate vs teams with aegislash ( 21-3 after aegislash is playable)

 

considering no pokemon in pro will have perfect ivs these calculations may differ from the actual damage these pokemons can do and are based on perfect ivs and on sets

calculations are without hazzards, hazzards in play will make a huge difference on both sides

 

offensive pokemons that can deal with aegislash:

Bisharp:

will always defeat it with a knock off since it fully resists the attack drop from from kings shield + it will always be faster then aegislash so you wont get hit by fighting moves

(252+ Atk Black Glasses Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 306-362 (117.2 - 138.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO)

excadrill:

252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 254-300 (97.3 - 114.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

Garchomp-offensive:

252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 246-290 (94.2 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

darma (after kingshield drop):

-2 252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 204-240 (78.1 - 91.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Malamar contray

it benefits from king hield attack drop and increases its attack my 2 stages instead and gets hit neutral my all of aegislashes attacks

Diggersby

immune to ghost type moves and is faster then aegislash

 

( almost any special attacking fire pokemons that arent hit super effective by aegislash)

some mega pokemons can deal with it but im not trying to compare non-mega vs mega pokemons

 

defensive mons that can wall aegislash:

few things to keep in mind:

1.any foul play user that resists its most used moves: iron head - shadow claw - shadow sneak - secret sword, shadow ball , flash cannon due to foul play ignoring your attack kings shield will be useless vs your pokemon

2. pokemons that are faster and have acces to will o wisp

3. taunt users that resist aegislash most used moves ( kings shield doesnt block status moves)

4. the difficulty of knowing what set it plays and acting accordingly

5. encore will lock it into using that move ( kings shield doesnt block status moves)

 

Mandibuzz (foul play lets it negate kingshield att drop):

252+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Shield Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 44 SpD Mandibuzz: 51-61 (12 - 14.4%) -- possible 7HKO

252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Mandibuzz: 111-131 (26.2 - 30.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Mandibuzz: 111-132 (26.2 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

 

sd slash vs foulplay: 252+ Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 144-170 (55.1 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

quiet/rash:

252 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 132-156 (50.5 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

its the onlymon that can wall any set of aegislash that i can think off, beside that ill list some mons that can wall aegislash per set.

 

Hippowdon (impish) (13 speed ivs or lower =112 speed):

the reason why 13 ivs or less , its due to aegislash speed in pro its minimum speed will be 113 for that reason when it wants to attack you you move after he has changed into blade form.

252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 144 SpD Hippowdon: 160-189 (38 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

due to you moving after he changes forms hippo is able to defeat aegislash:

0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 410-486 (126.5 - 150%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

hippo walls both special / physical sets of aegislash

 

as for walling mixed sets it can be tough but you can scout most of the time what set it will play by the use of protect

if it uses a special attack its most likely a mixed aegislash , if it used sowrds dance it cant run any special moves or it will be walled

 

with all that said i think there are enough pokemons to deal with aegislash and shouldnt be banned because of that the list can be extended but it would make to post way to big

overall ground is one of the most used move types along with fire type moves which will defeat aegislash

the problem lies with many players not being able to deal with it since its new and don't know how to play around it properly and the difficulty or figuring out what set it is and acting accordingly

i agree that you must play some mons you dont like/want to play and around it

 

at last im not a ladder but have been in the competetive pokemon scene for about 8 years and can completely understand why players want it banned

 

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Edited August 23, 2020 by papabeer

[Gagans]

-1 it's not that hard to counter, we already have a lot of stuff that can counter it and now with Volcan it's even easier to counter Aegislash, it's not even a problem now

[Saintebaguette]

-1

Change your team.

[Nornornor444]

+1. Switch ins to aegi? Careful Mandibuzz? Mantine? Chansey? Goodra? How good is Steel/Ghost typing wise? Able to switch between 150 def/spdef to 150 atk/spatk. Bisharp/Excadrill/Garchomp/Diggersby/Darmanitan/Heatran can beat it offensively. Why not just run a skarmory for that + rotom wash? Aegislash has very few counters and almost nothing can switch into it. Imagine sassy Aegi with sub+Toxic+Kings shield. Trick Room quiet. Like how is it not the most broken mon ever? Kings shield -2 atk drop. Literally, no reason to not ban it. Or maybe because people use adamant, the least viable set for aegi? Getting Volt Turn Aegi in a safe switch in and it will leave a massive hole. Too lazy to explain anyways zzz. Just +1 ing this.

Edited August 23, 2020 by Nornornor444

[Malekit]

+1