There are 13 pages of useless back and forth.
Bottom line is: Ash-Greninja is broken.
Either we ban it, or everyone starts abusing it on the ladder, causing mayhem.
Easy-to-understand example:
As soon as you start using UNVIABLE mons that would otherwise be useless to wall a powerful poke, you know it is busted.
Exhibition A:
DISCLAIMER I AM NOT TAKING AN STANCE ON THE SMOGON TIERING SYSTEM AND IF IT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED, IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE
One huge reason why dracovish was banned from gen8ou is cause it made unviable pokemon and sets like Seismitoad (Water absorb and Stormdrain) good, simply cause it walled it. IMO If you have to dedicate an entire unviable pokemon to specifically beating a broken mon that has little counterplay, then it is broken.
tl;dr
As soon as people say, "Oh Ash Gren isn't good cause calm azu walls it" you know that these sets are hot garbage, and the only reason that you would even consider running it is to have a check dedicated to beating Ash gren. If ash gren never existed, you would have no friken reason to run these sets. (Or pokemon)
ALSO, WHAT DO THE MODS THINK?
I'd like to have some input by some competent mods who understand the importance of a balanced pvp meta.
O YEAH, +1 to everything that aggs said, he beat me to it.
Sincerely,
-Teabag