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Barsonball's cross server GIVEAWAY!!! Roll date Sunday March 22th 2026. (Winner @Eetaachee) Thank you everyone for your support and participation! The giveaway winner is @Eetaachee Congradulations! The Giveaway: The giveaway prize is a wonderful Staff Norex OT very own Halloween Form Lucario!!! To Enter: Heart this thread and comment below. Than, I will add your forum name to the giveaway wheel. Giveaway Roll Date: Sunday March 22th 2026 (very soon) The spin: The wheel will spin a total of 4x, first 3x will be the names that enter the final wheel. Last spin will determine the winner. Good Luck! Updated Giveaway Wheel (2026-03-22) Total 212 participants. @Eetaachee is the winner of the giveaway! Congratulations! COMPLETED! Congrats Eetaachee!

Unfortunately, this change will make the dungeon even harder Mainly for beginners (which is a pb imo) and teams run (3-4-5 people) and will probably discourage the few people who were already doing the dungeon, especially since the rewards weren't that great for a daily content to begin with (after getting hoopa and his unbound form which is a great reward ofc). for a 1 man run with 1 or 2 floors the impact is not the biggest problem (on clearing side but it is on the scoring one) for people who already know how the dungeon works but its very anoying and not on the good way especially if you're unlucky and don't have any Gravelers or Golems on your first floor but even these berry being only on these one is already anoying, which prevents you from getting Leppa Berries, since now a long time only these pokemons drop them. and treasure room can be very cool with you and offer you 2 full heal to be sure you dont have a way to restore PP before facing a Pressure dialga or/and palkia 4 times. I understand the infinite pp was probably way too strong but at the same time I think player should have at least full pp on the first learn because without HM a lot of pokemon become not viable anymore and Players criticism of the dungeon was already the lack of diversity in the usable Pokémon it was not completely true before but with this change this diversity has now been drastically reduced. I did a bit more testing on the dungeon since the update and yeah, like I said earlier, I can technically still reach around 2400 in solo runs like before the change. The difference now is that it’s way more room-dependent and RNG-dependent than before. Previously I could almost consistently reach that score, or something very close to it, regardless of the RNG or Rooms. My first run this patch was 2280, and that was while being completely slow and rusty since I hadn’t touched the dungeon for months. Even then the run itself just wasn’t enjoyable. It feels like the dungeon is becoming annoying for the sake of being annoying, and that’s coming from someone who knows the dungeon very well. I can’t even imagine how frustrating it must feel for newer players who don’t have that level of experience/Knowledge. A lot of the recent dungeon changes feel like they remove quality of life rather than fix actual problems. For example: Not being able to swap Pokémon during a Pokémon’s aggro travel. That wasn’t broken, it was simply QoL. Not being able to swap an item during the death animation at the end of a fight. Again, was not broken, just QoL. Relogging, which was actually broken and deserved to be nerfed. No issue with that one. Evolving a Pokémon making it lose HP because of base stat differences, which just feels unnecessarily annoying. Then you add the HM changes on top of that, and it just adds even more friction to a type of content that already struggles to keep players interested. There are already not many people actively investing time into dungeons, and these kinds of changes really don’t help with that. The Hoopa dungeon in team play is a good example. On paper it should be the best way to push for high scores (3k2+), but in practice these changes make it much more tedious and frustrating than it used to be. It limits team composition options and increases the importance of RNG when trying to get a good run. That’s the kind of thing that quickly demotivates players. Because of that, a lot of people end up running the content solo just to chase a high score which feels strange for an MMO, because now the team run is just so anoying and not enjoyable anymore. Ideally, the dungeon should encourage 5-player runs where everyone clears the 4 floors together and interacts with the mechanics. That’s still technically possible today, but RNG now plays such a big role that it removes a lot of the fun from it. The reality is that it was already difficult to find four other players motivated enough to run the Hoopa dungeon regularly. With the current changes, it’s becoming almost impossible to found people that want to invest time on this and that’s coming from someone in one of the most active dungeon guilds.

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good luck, hope you get it back ❤️

You definitely deserve the form back , ive been there for every event u kept hunting repel or no repel, i hope and wish they turn it back to original form and keep it fair and just like ur hunt was successful may it be shown as it should , best of luck ❤️

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+1 was beside him when caught, and when chroma bug happened.

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In the latest update there was a change that when you teach a pokemon any HM it will no longer have full PP but will now have 0 PP on said move. This specific mechanic was a core mechanic for the Hoopa Dungeon and the Trainer Tower. Outside of those 2 content parts it was basically not used at all. The big issue is, that both those content parts were balanced around this said mechanic. Unfortunately this change also wasn't mentioned in the Update Logs, making player fail dungeon runs due to them not being aware. Before I explain the suggestion/s I have I'll first explain why this mechanic is needed in the current state of those 2 content parts. Long explanation: I'll start with Hoopa Dungeon, since I feel this specific content suffers the most from this change. Hoopa Dungeon: When building a team for this specific dungeon you need to find a team of 4 pokemon that can clear all of the 4 possible portals. The issue is that you do not know which portal you will get unless you enter the dungeon. And even then you do not know which exact fights you'll get inside of said portal. This overall makes the option for viable pokemon to bring already VERY low. Gyarados was one of the core parts of every team, since it was able to deal with sturdy pokemon, it had good options to set-up due to Moxie, had other reliable moves such as Rain Dance and Bite and you were able to constantly refresh the Waterfall PP due to the old HM mechanic. We (as in some of my guild mates, some friends outside of the guild and myself) did quite a few test runs after the latest change and tried to find new teams which consistently are able to clear all 4 portals. Unfortunately there isn't one. Yes we figured out teams to somewhat consistently clear 2-3 portals, if you hit the wrong portal it's an instant surrender. The main issue is that we are experienced in this dungeon since we ran this dungeon a lot of times and know exactly how to cheese certain fights. Any new player who will try to start getting in to this dungeon won't be able to at all. This entire part is just for a solo/duo portal run. For team runs (2+ portals) this HM change gets even worse. Another big issue of the dungeon is when you evolve a pokemon it automatically loses HP due to it's base HP increasing. This usually isn't a big deal outside of the dungeon but inside of the Hoopa dungeon it is quite annoying. Not being able to learn a move when the pokemon evolves on the correct level is also a really annoying issue within the dungeon. A random example: You would evolve Drilbur on level46 to Excadril. Once evolved it will not try to learn "Drill Run". This issue rarely occurs but when it happens it's really problematic since you are not able to relearn moves. The dungeon itself relies quite a bit on RNG. However you were able to reduce the RNG to an barely important part of the run before the change. Now the dungeon is pure RNG. This dungeon had barely any competitive side to it before and now it's basically gone entirely. In it's current state you enter the dungeon, pray you get the 2 best portals and hope you do not get any sturdy fights within your portal. This simply doesn't sound fun or healthy for any good competition. Ultimately there simply is no good replacement for Gyarados in the current state of the dungeon and it's a massive issue for the balancing of it. Now here are some ideas we already had about fixing the HM issue/the dungeon itself: - a guaranteed Lum, Sitrus & Leppa Berry drop within the dungeon (could even be an augment) - way higher drop rate of Leppa Berry - (team run specific) only needing to clear 1 portal when running as a team The issue in regards to those is that those wouldn't fix the actual HM issue. There is a little bit more to explain in regards to the dungeon but I'll keep it there for now. Trainer Tower: The Trainer Tower itself has a lot of issues in it's design. I made a post about this a long time ago already. The most used strat for the Trainer Tower was to get a lvl39/69 Gyarados with Moxie lended to you and sweep with said Pokemon. It was able to deal with nearly all trainers due to it's moveset, was in comparison very easy to obtain and didn't require a lot to be useable, making it also very easy for new players. One of the main core parts was the fact that you could refill the Waterfall PP by overwriting Waterfall with another HM (Surf, Dive) and then reteach Waterfall again. This entire mechanic is now gone. You will constantly need to talk to Nurse Joy to refill the Waterfall PP, making you lose 1.5k every single time just to refill PP. This isn't as much of a problem on the lower floors, since those trainers only have 3 pokemon. However once you reach higher floors the trainers start to have 4-6 Pokemon, making you lose Waterfall PP really fast, depending on the trainer type you are facing. Yes, for us old players it doesn't matter as much since we hoarded a lot of Leppa Berries, Ether etc. but for new players this is simply not possible. Having to use the Nurse Joy quite often just for a single run will drain the money of new players incredibly fast. Suggestions: First of all, I do understand that this mechanic was very likely not inteded and goes against the idea of consumable TMs etc. However how it was made with the recent change it's not healthy for the game or said content at all and either needs a full revert, at the bare minimum an adjustment or said content needs to be totally revamped/rebalanced. - when a Pokemon has only 3 moves and you teach a HM move it still obtains the full PP of said move - when you overwrite a non-HM move with a HM move you still obtain the full PP of said HM move - when you overwrite a HM move with another HM move all the PP get fully depleted - (Trainer Tower specific) just remove the cost of Nurse Joy within the floors I'm happy to hear other ideas from other players and happy to discuss other options. However there needs to be a change because this change is not healthy for the 2 specific content parts it is aimed at. Thanks a lot for reading.

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Not interested in your giveaway, but i wish you to have back your form, i had a similar experience in 2017 with a clone Bulbasaur, but that was lost due to a server rollback! And there wasn't system messages! Stay strong! And please, ignore resellers candidations, we don't deserve to see this pokemon given away with this purpose, in trade chat 1 minute after the draw!

Would love to win this!

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good luck ❤️

Thats is a really cute Lucario

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@Mingrenpro Points made were really clear and come down to two things: 1. inconsistensy and RNG on runs due to berries and HM PPs. 2. increased complexity because of low amount of viable strats that makes it harder for newer players interested in dungeons. to the first point: saying "im having a chill run and hitting 2.2k" is redundant. Even a broken clock is right twice a day and is not disproving points made about different layer difficulties/ success rate and the RNG around it. second point: I dont know why we shouldnt take the POV of a newer player to think through what it needs to run the dungeon and make it as accessible as possible while keeping the challenging part. Or should we throw the entry level dungeon runners under the bus for you to have 2 weeks of top score until people adapted and beat your score? The whole part of you talking about a 1.9k score this early in march is just ragebait and not really contributing/disproving the points made by @Callmerengod you just seem to be satisfied about the situation. edit: it seem to directly impact your ability to make money by selling hoopa service to less experienced and its in your interest to keep it as unaccessible as possible.

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sorry to here friend. you'll get an even better one im sure!

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Truly ridiculous behavior on the staffs part. Embarrassing really. Hope you get your v-day smeargle back.

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Good luck getting your smeragle back

Hope you manage to get the form back @@

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Feelsbadman, good luck

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@Krubsiu On my way.

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The initial result you're talking about is literally no one finishing a single group run and 2 players finishing a solo double realm run out of possibly hundreds of tries, that pretty much proves how inconsistent it is, how much of a waste of time it is, and how much rng reliant it is thanks to this change. For the record I did that 2.2 score in silver myself cause i got the easiest combo of portals, mentioned in the thread, and miraculously finding max elixirs in both treasure rooms.

Fair price and great service!!