Qeight

The notification I sent you: "The ranked match between DonaldDuck and BossGuzz has been reversed due to a bug. " What is unclear about it?

I greatly suggest you read through: https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/151388-url I will quote myself from that post: As Mercurius already said, you and your friend are free to make complaints and an Admin or Dev will look at them & will determine if I did anything wrong.

Hey there, we only recently got the ability to reverse rating. If there is a stuck match and we can reverse the rating, we will do it if enough evidence is there.

I reversed the rating gain/loss. Locked.

Locked as solved.

Logout and back in, according to our tools you have 65 Rarecandy, 20 sold, then 4 sold and 1 used which adds up to 25. 25+65 = 90 The 90 you show in your screen^^

If people are not decent on ladder, then who the hell is playing PvP or wants to make decisions for the PvP environment. Some guy who hasn't played in a year? Why don't we outsource the PvP council to PokeOne's council and let players decide who don't even play the same game? This such irresponsible and illogical thinking. Winrates for a certain group of people give away a lot. That this community barely knows what they want, they showed that very openly in the last thread about stuff: Baton Pass and now Lando One group wants it to be showdown, the other doesn't, the other group hasn't played at all but wants to make somehow decisions because like it somewhere on a battle simulator.

116 Matches - 62 wins - 53,4% Winrate on Gold 423 Matches - 236 Wins - 55,79% Winrate on Silver This is for people with above 200 rating. This in on par with other things based on usage stats however I would suspect some are higher if you filter out bad players and only filter by rating +200. Greninja? People cried and wanted it banned, it got coded because it wouldn't stay banned. Shaymin-Sky? It was insta banned and people complained about it being an option against Manaphy and that we are dumb for banning it. Baton Pass? We get yelled at for banning it in a test-period while its banned on Showdown. Now with Lando people come and yell its "Uber","its banned on Showdown/Smogon". PRO is not a battle simulator, it's not showdown/smogon or that other unnamed Pokemon MMO. I wanted a PvP council because of this fact, people don't know what they want, especially in this community. There are like 5 people in this thread who understood this thread for example: Jorogumo It seems like we can't win regardless of what we do, any and all PvP suggestions by me got instantly shutdown to change up the meta like rotating bans to allow a more versatile PvP game but at this point, I can just really say. Enjoy your 6 tanks and 1 hour matches. From the looks of it and people complaining about it, it's gonna get banned but really its just meh.

Don't worry, if there is a loophole or anything. I will most likely find it, I am usually the staff who goes against other staffs which doesn't make me very popular. As of now, detection methods are very good. I could guess but I know who you are talking about, I invite everyone to file complaints. If you can't trust a GM or an Admin, or 2 Admins. Then sadly there isn't much we can do for you. At that point people will simply say the staff team is corrupt but it goes against what most want for this game. We want an active game with many different players but without cheaters. Unfortunately there will be more in the future, its a fight that will never end.

We had a case where 3 cousins lived together who all had 4 different accounts. It's fine, mass account bans happen but they get unbanned as I said 99/100 cases. It's not a very serious offense however still is under GMs due to the fact that mass account more often than not is related to cheating or real money trades.

See above, it's not a question of innocence or guiltiness. If you consistently deny having used something, you are lying. If you can't admit to using something, you will never be able to accurately answer other questions. In fact if you scream insults at us, swear and consistently deny cheating then there isn't much we can do for you. Detection bans, it's impossible to show evidence and for videos we make as GMs. Those procedures our fool-proof, with 100% certainty. You wouldn't be banned if you were actually there playing yourself. The system isn't anything new, it's been in place for +1 year and GM methods even much longer. As for your friends/your clanmates getting banned now. It is simply backlog we have to work through due to shortage of GMs at times. It is pretty save to say that people will lie to you. I would love to have players who only play cleanly, it's something we strive for however its never gonna happen. I am open to any questions as long as I can answer them.

Actually it's not GM related, we often can't share evidence due to privacy concerns. This is not GM exclusive. In an ideal world nobody would cheat. You can play for 24 hours straight, hunt for 24 hours straight. If you are on your computer and do everything by yourself then there is no need to worry. The second you start doing anything automated, we will catch that eventually. We have different layers of moderation for a reason, if the appeal gets rejected, every user is free to make a complaint. That complaint goes to the Team lead (those are people who are in management and leader of their respective teams for a reason). They look over the complaint and see if anything was wrong. If the Teamlead also concludes that nothing was wrong on our side. A new complaint can be made which goes to an Admin/Moderation Admin. Those are people with the highest rank in the staff team, who have the most experience and the most access. If those also conclude that nothing was wrong then your friend was simply lying to you. I had cases of very close friends being cheaters, I had people with 6k hours cheating and swearing in their appeals that they never did anything but soon after the appeal gets rejected, they admit. We give 1 appeal for everyone and those only get overruled very rarely if there was a mistake. If you lie 4-5-6, 10 times in your appeal but admit to it the second your appeal gets rejected, you won't be unbanned. Our Appeal process is there for honest players. For us, only honest players are worth keeping around, why should we unban lying players who most of the time just continue doing the same stuff. Macros have a very specific procedure to avoid any kind of faulty bans. If someone was banned in this time, they did use macros with 100% certainty. We never PM users when checking for anything. Useless in our eyes, that is not evidence for us for the exact same reasons as you said. I can't speak for how it was back in the day (2015-16) but in the current years the procedures was perfected to avoid any mistakes. We don't want innocent players to be banned, Eaty for sure doesn't want that. Why would we want to destroy our own game by banning innocent players? It doesn't make sense, so of course we work only with the best things to our hands. Evidence will never be shown, for starters most bans are caused by detection (still manual bans though, nothing is automated). It's practically impossible to you evidence. It's where people opinion split, including mine at the beginning but I put full faith in Eaty. I didn't at first however my time outside of staff helped. Eaty wants people in this game, even if they cheated in the past. He wouldn't allow faulty ban system, or people getting wrongly banned. It simply goes against what he wants, therefore I trust his detection. As for macro users/bots we catch on our own, we can't reveal those due to the fact that videos might show the way we check for things and thus making those methods worthless. It's just not gonna work for us. If you are guilty, you are getting a permanent ban. You cheated in the game and deserve a permanent ban but EVERYONE deserves a second chance however you will only get that if you are honest. The guilty/innocent question is already done, you are guilty, that is why you are banned. At that point only honesty will get you a 2nd chance, if you lie your ass off, well what do you want us to do? Unban you? Its a common misconception that we have to somehow prove to you in an appeal that you are guilty and that you have to prove your innocence, that is not the goal of an appeal. We simply want to know a few things, on the w-question in German.

Oh, our system aren't detecting random things. e.g Valorants anti-cheat detected and blocked known CPU/GPU softwares from working. Our system is detection known stuff to use in this game. I won't pretend to fully understand how it works, only the Dev would know.

Hey there, I am Qeight, one of the newer Game Masters, before that I was the Moderator Team Lead. I asked for this thread to be moved into public viewing again as I believe there is value in having our viewpoints stated publicly as well. The post is a bit of a mix so I'll dissect the points 1 by 1. All bans, are manual bans. Automated bans haven't been taking place for quite a long time now ( around 2+ years). You are hitting on two completely different subjects as well. Unauthorized software is something like botting software, speedhacks, any kind of third party software while having "too many accounts" are simple mistakes that get unbanned in 99/100 cases, the 1 case being someone who yells and insults staff for their ban (even though they haven't read the rules). Good question, we don't know. I banned people with 6000 hours and 6 hours for doing the same thing, unfortunately your hours, status, money donated and what not don't matter when banning someone. We have to treat all players equally and fairly, based on the punishment policy. Friends often lie, it's the internet, nobody wants to be seen as a cheater. If you can put your hands in a fire for a friend, you will get burned if they swear they didn't cheat. The appeal center is there for honest players, unless you are banned for investigation purposes you are guilty. It's not "innocent until proven guilty", we banned you because we proved that you were guilty through methods we never gonna disclose. We are not disclosing them for obvious reasons. It really depends on the ban itself, all are done manually to ensure there isn't anything wrong with the bans. If you are banned for macro- usage or any 3rd party programs you are guilty by default otherwise you wouldn't have been banned. Mass-account bans are often due to people sharing accounts, it is indeed very hard to distinguish who is who sometimes, if you have 30 accounts use the same device. Mass account bans are 99/100 cases successful and people get unbanned. Here is my take on this, PRO had an automated system during the time Shane was still a Dev. The system flagged you for simply lagging out, creating bans that weren't accurate. There were a few auto bans like "Auto Ban: S2" was one of the more faulty ones while "Auto Ban: Third Party Software" was 100% accurate. This system was removed a very long time ago and replaced with something way more secure made by Eaty. What exactly gets detected, how detection works is only need-to-know basis within staff as well. At first nobody was getting banned and then people got banned in waves, this of course raised questions about how detection works even within staff. I was by far the loudest voice against it because the story was always the same "I didn't do anything", "I didn't cheat" & so on. I was only a Moderator at the time, not a Game Master who deals with this kind of stuff but I had my doubts and I made my doubts be heard loudly. However overtime bans slowed down, people were still getting banned for it, the bans were made more severe over time to a permanent ban for users' who cheat. Eaty is very confident in his anti-cheat and we have to trust that. It would be not logical to think that Eaty wants people to be banned for no reason or faulty bans. It goes against everything Eaty is trying with this game. I came to that realization after I left staff for 3 months. I would correct that, we banned more than 10 users, some of those were detected months ago but weren't banned due to shortage of GMs. This is on us but we are catching up, hence you might see increased numbers of bans. I think you are confusing something, yes anti-cheats can not detect all cheats, that's a fault on the anti-cheat but saying our system is faulty because "people are innocent get banned"? Our system detects known cheat programs to us. The chances that you are detected and innocent equal 0. It stays open till people starts insulting staff or yell at each other.

What is your friends name?

Make a post here if you want to complain about the appeal outcome: https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/index.php?forums/general-complaint-area.38/

Your name is fine. Locked.

https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/148777-url/?do=findComment&comment=820774 Need to hammer this into people, NO there are not A LOT of people abusing this. This is just flat out wrong. "For that reason, a lot of people are abusing baton pass." This statement is 100% inaccurate and is not supported by anything at all.

This is a bug and will be fixed, it was a flaw when explaining how BP clause works.

I'll just give me quick thoughts on this subject (I wasn't part of the discussion in staff as I wasn't in staff when this happened). First and foremost this decision was not reached by "my" PvP Council as the PvP Council never made it out of development given I quit staff for a few months & it was my project. The decision was reached by all sorts of staff members in our staff discord in a channel called "PvP Council" however that name is a little misleading, the skills from our staff range from top tier players to bottom-feeders like me. I am a numbers kind of guy when it comes to bans, meta changes and such things given my knowledge about PvP is restricted to when I laddered early on, on the Yellow Server. I would like to think that the skill cap back then was much higher, given my rating placements back then (520/521) would in todays time be #1. In that time things like Talonflame dominated the ladder, it was basically a free win, the meta played so different than what it is now. Taking skill out of the equation entirely going forward. Cames provides us with the most used Pokemon data for every season: https://pokemonrevolution.net/forum/topic/142666-url Some numbers: The most used Baton-Passer for Speed (Scolipede) has not reach the threshold of 5-7% on any Server in the last 6 months. It never appeared in Top25. Manaphy appeared 3 times in the Top25 usage statistic in the last 6 months. 18. Manaphy 2971 9% 52% - #Silver November 2019 24. Manaphy 2220 6% 56% - #Silver December 2019 25. Manaphy 3038 6% 53% - #Silver March 2020 [*]Togekiss appeared appeared 12 times in the Top25 usage statistic in the last 6 months. This is no surprise, I reached ladder with Togekiss in 2016. Lovely Pokemon everyone loves it. 9. Togekiss 3966 16% 52% - #Gold November 2019 11. Togekiss 4613 14% 48% - #Silver November 2019 10. Togekiss 3756 15% 51% - #Gold December 2019 10. Togekiss 4158 12% 49% - #Silver December 2019 9. Togekiss 4381 17% 53% - #Gold January 2020 12. Togekiss 4504 12% 48% - #Silver January 2020 9. Togekiss 3575 16% 54% - #Gold February 2020 9. Togekiss 4832 14% 49% - #Silver February 2020 9. Togekiss 5230 18% 52% - #Gold March 2020 10. Togekiss 6175 13% 49% - #Silver March 2020 11. Togekiss 4854 14% 50% - #Gold April 2020 14. Togekiss 6168 12% 49% - #Silver April 2020 [*]PVP Season Results, April 2020 [*]Silver Server Out of the Top25, 3 people played with a Speedboost Scolipede. The first one played it once and won. Manaphy was in the team. Had Baton Pass. The second one played with it twice and won twice. Had Togekiss both times. Had Baton Pass. The third one played with it seven times and won six & lost one. 3/7 were with Baton Pass on Scoli, he won two, lost one. Togekiss was on all 3 Baton Pass teams. [*]Two people popped up a few times that played Scoli with Baton Pass, both have not reached Top50 in rating. [*]Gold Server Out of the Top25, 6 people played with a Speedboost Scolipede. There are 4 people who used it as a main team for most of the season, they had a mix of Togekiss and Manaphys. There is one guy who used it 3 times and won 3 times, he used a Togekiss in the team once. There is one guy who used it once and lost, there was a Togekiss in the team. There is one guy who used it once without Baton Pass, had a Togekiss in the team. So my conclusion just based on numbers is really simple, it shouldn't be banned at all. The people who used it as a main team are also players who are naturally good at PvP, several Top25 finished, Tournament finishes etc. It didn't matter that they had H.A Scoli with Baton Pass. I hear people saying there is a bug with Speedbost when you swap into it from a Pokemon with U-Turn/Volt-Switch that you get the Speed for free, on the same argument you can say that any Pokemon with Intimidate cripples Scoli since it can't pass speed and another stat. PRO is not Showdown/Smogon, we should never treat it that way. I have disregarded most of these complaints when I was still Moderator Lead because exactly this reason. It is banned here and there, who cares. PRO is somewhere stuck between coded stuff from Gen5, Pokemon from Gen6, mechanics from Gen7. We don't have so much important stuff for actual competitive PvP and you all want to ban something that is barely used, sometimes used by god tier players who are already good and can ladder without it? I had the PvP Council in mind because I wanted to give players what they wanted but most people don't even know what they want or PvP, people who backhanded complain in Admins DMs or on PRO Discord are the ones who haven't played the game in months. It saddens me that those people even have a voice, they shouldn't. They don't play but ask for bans when majority of the people don't play it. It is a shame. Anyway, the numbers above from the PvP logs might be a little off because of logging issues from time to time but nothing major. It should still be fairly accurate. Best wishes, Q8

Check last in box. :)

This vote isn't even there to decide whether or not it gets reverted, its there to give Eaty an overview of how the community thinks about the subject. No need for a timer.

We know about double votes, no need to point that out, staffs are not stupid. :D

Next user who comments off-topic things or starts pointless drama gets a forum ban.

The development time can rather be spent on something like a blacklist for Pokemon/Abilities instead of bringing back a mindless Pokemon from a time where everyone just run it, it will just force everyone to carry a Pokemon that can deal with Talonflame once again. I voted for I don't care as in the end, the PvP community has to play with this but there are better suggestions and things Devs should look into when trying a more refreshing meta. A blacklist would achieve such a thing by trying to dissect obvious problems (win% to pick% of Pokemon) and such things.