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Given the amount of rude, disrespectful and just plain unnecessary comments I am sadly forced to lock this thread however I am not going to leave it on an open note without responding to some of the stuff said here. Claiming staff are bias I am not going to say that past staff were not bias, in fact I believe past staff were indeed bias in their decision making. Players like myself or Derpro suffered from those decisions. Tr3y, TheAkalli and others suffered from unfair and bias decisions as well. However we are not the past staff team, we are not those "powerabusers" you are trying to call out here. I gladly take actions against anyone who abuses their power now, what they did in their past honestly I could care less. If those mistakes were fixed, if you know a case where a ban was completely unfair then go ahead and DM me it. I gladly unban everyone who was unfairly banned, in fact both me and Logan are unbanning everyone who was unfairly banned or where evidence just doesn't exist or is severely lackluster. We put a ton of effort into this, calling us bias or powerabusers is just nonsense. Throughout this entire thread I read people writing that staff are powerabusers, are bias or just want to hurt the community but not a single time actually someone could provide evidence, not even a name where someone was abused. Someone on the first few pages claimed something, he was right and the mistake was corrected. Just listen to yourself for a second and hear what kind of nonsense you are writing in this thread. A lot are claiming powerabuse but can't even name a player who was "abused"? This is really ridiculous and crosses a line. Claiming unfair treatment Please give me names and I can look into the evidence collected, their appeals/reports. However just alone in this thread people claimed Epiales was powerabusing for muting people because they talked about football when in reality they were muted for swearing. The same way GengarLv100 is saying: You are just making fool out of yourself in our eyes but you do not bring anything productive to the table nor do you understand the harm you do by lying about what actually happened. Is this really the "unmesured abuse of power" you are talking about? The chat was warned to not break a widely accepted rule yet you broke it again and were muted for 60 seconds. A mute that doesn't have any influence on future sanctions. Just alone in this thread there are several players who wrote stuff like this to us on their alternative accounts or main accounts: Staffs are corrupt - "scenario with teerav" With what? What are we doing that is corrupt? Do you guys even understand the meaning of corrupt? I am surprised that you guys are actually asking us to punish a user who has not broken any rule, has done something on their personal discord. Do you really want us to do that? Punish players with not even a rule for what happened for something on their personal discord? I beg your pardon but what? This goes literally against everything you guys are claiming, that we abuse our powers, are bias and what not. We will not sanction someone who hasn't broken any rule for something they did on their personal discord. This is not only unreasonable but beyond stupid. Recruitment and letting community have a say in moderation Hey, guess what. ALL staff are community members, guild leaders, collectors, PvP players, shiny hunters, traders etc. We are volunteers out of the community and not some employees. I am sorry but we will not have some random players decide who to recruit because they think someone would be a good moderator, there is way more to it than you think. Do you think I was widely accepted as staff when I started? God no, staffs left the team because I joined/was unbanned. Some hated me but in the end those staffs saw that I was one of the few people who actually fought with everyone so everything is fair. I don't care if I have to discuss stuff with a Dev, an Admin or whoever. Logan be my witness, I rather get sanctioned than let someone get unfairly banned. You don't have to believe it, you really don't but I can at least say that we tried to give you guys the chance to voice your opinion. We knew this thread would be a shitstorm of false accusations, ranting and nonsense but at least some productive work came out of it. Recruitment is a thing we always have to improve upon, I agree that some of our last few recruits were not that great. Lots of bad decision making when recruiting, some who should have never been recruited in the first place. Shinohara, Logan and me are in positions where we decide who we want on our team. The workload for most is just too much, most don't make it past the first few months. Being a Moderator is really not that easy, a Trade Moderator and CC, they do even more. We hold open recruitment's but some of the applications are just straight up garbage, people lying about their past sanctions, having utterly rude behavior everywhere and stuff like that. I recruited Acaiberry for example, someone who basically nobody knows. Fluffles was one of the best staff members, was some random girl who was interested in becoming staff. Finding GOOD staff, dedicated staff is not that easy. It's not worth training them for 2 months just for them to quit 3 months in. I am willing to give people chances if they actually deserve them, NIkola gave me mine and I used it but we will not make BillyRick231 with 5 quiet-bans on his record a Moderator, that is just not reasonable. Final words A lot of stuff said in here is just factually not true, if it were then you guys could provide at least a name but even that is too much to ask for. We would take most of this stuff serious if it were actually true but it's not. You are not one of the "cool kids" if you think that insulting staff, or trying "own" them/"teach" them a lesson is something cool to do. It's really just sad nothing else really. I can judge this pretty good because I did that in the past as well. If you have anything further to add, just PM me in forums or on Discord Felix#5505 however this thread has to be locked, you guys are just breaking rules left and right and are just ranting at this point. There hasn't been constructive criticism in a good while in this thread. Kind regards, Q8

This was years ago, Tr3y queue sniped you and intentionally disconnected against you. It would fall under boosting under our current policies and rules. Back then it apparently didnt since it was never sanctioned.

You are repeating what I told you, this is not the case. I asked the reporter but they rather stay anonymous. The reporter doesn't want to be known and if you think just for one minute you would realize the truth. Bias, all we hear is bias? I can tell you right now, there is no bias involved. Do you know what that word means? "inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." Do you believe getting punished for being toxic, insulting, racist, having a deplorable behavior is bias against the user? No just no. Just because you are getting punished doesn't mean the staff team is bias. You could also just be "Player A" for all I care, you break the rules, you get sanctioned. It's really that simple. We can not comment on Discord Moderators, make a Discord Hub post about it. Wrong, scroll back a few pages. I explained it in detail already. If you are not even willing to read up on the nonsense you hear from players then sure believe what you wanna believe. We can not help players who just want to hear their side of the story but not the overall picture. I don't know about Discord Moderator selection about staff selection, we had an open recruitment, most of who here claim staff are so bad never applied or applied and failed their workshop or app'ship. Stuff like you are describing is far from the reality, sounds nice in your mind if you dislike staff that much but just doesn't reflect the reality. No, staff members get a ton of hate for no reason, they get removed from staff if they reveal prior to a certain date. Staff members are not supposed to be known at first. You think demoting people who spent tons of hours on that stuff will help the game? I am sorry but you are mistaken. You wouldn't be punished for racist stuff, for vulgar language for literally anything. Let botters roam around, got scammed? sucks for you buddy, your quest doesn't work? sucks for you buddy, you want help? sucks for you buddy, ladder is full with boosters? sucks for you buddy. Tournaments? Help? Lol, whaaaat? You think removing staff members is a solution however that is far from the reality, most of the stuff said here is sadly a bunch of nonsense, give me evidence of anything and I can take actions however most of what is claimed here is just factually not true. Evidence and I stand by your side to fix those issues if they are actually a thing but they are not. Last warning, I will forum ban people if they continue to spread hate, toxicity and nonsense in this thread. Keep it on topic or stay out.

Also the next user who insults staff will be sanctioned, keep this discussion respectful or do not participate whatsoever. Also keep this for discussions, useless stuff gets deleted.

I'll just get straight to the point. Part of my duties as staff member is to make unbias decisions unlike former staffs, yes I was unjustified banned. I can even prove it now as there was never evidence for anything. However in your case (Akalli/Tr3y); there was evidence. There was evidence of Tr3y already boosting An1ma back in the day. Do you expect us to believe after a long time with no match, both of you suddenly randomly match against each other? The fact that you also play together and PvP via screensharing makes this a very obvious thing. I took on the case because it was the best call here. The match had to be explained and you did so, got unbanned. You actually got unbanned because you remembered details you posted in our Discord. I could not care less whatsoever what you think about me, you feel betrayed but this has nothing to do with anything. This was a common procedure and that's it. If I hurt your feelings, so be it but this had nothing to do with bias. I wasn't even a Moderator at the time. I wasn't even an apprentice at the time. Do you really believe that I was in a position to remove a long standing Admin? No. The tournament now is handled by me and Shinohara mainly so this type of thing should not happen again. As for Tr3y's ban, it was one of the three out of his 6 that was actually fair and justified. If you think we don't fight bias then you are clearly wrong, we spent most of the time discussing cases, arguing a lot. @Eaty Can be my witness, I annoy him all the time when I discuss because I do not stop even if it doesn't fit into my area. I will fight bias stuff till my time as staff is up. Wrong, you see it the way you want to see it. I know why you were banned, I know why Tr3y was banned. I do believe both permanent bans are 100% justified, that you do not agree with it is understandable however claiming that you or Tr3y are innocent is beyond believe. Unreasonable, confusing and a bit shameful that you can not admit your mistakes or even see them. It's a trait you will learn in life. I agree that Senrosia made mistakes in the past, I am not going to sugarcoat things I know are wrong. Was the recruitment unbias? Hell no, my recruitment wasn't even unbias. Nikola wanted me in staff which was obviously bias. Unbias recruitment is hard to do, I wouldn't recruit myself either. We don't like how the last few recruitment turned out and I was in a position where I can have a say in those things. A fresh Moderator can't just decide not to take someone as staff or even remove them however now I can pick recruits from open recruitment I see fitting. I recruited 3 new Moderators, 2 people I never talked to or even knew and 1 who I knew before. You can not work with people you hate/dislike so much however staffs had to deal with that when working with me. There were staff members who quit staff because of me however in the end it worked out. I can watch over everything my Moderators as Team Lead, I can overrule them as I see fit and I do that already. Senrosia however improved, is he perfect? No but who of us is? Nobody. Does one mistake or two or three make him a bad Moderator? No. Do things he did in the past or as Dmod make him a bad Moderator now? Stop holding useless unjustified grudges. We can call out misbehavior left and right. Unfair bans bring them to me and I will unban everyone who received an unfair ban. Derpro received an unfair ban, unfair treatment by a former Admin and I unbanned him. I do care about the reality of things, the truth so to speak. If there is lacking evidence I will unban everyone who comes my way. I agree with being strict because why do you need to taunt or harass people? Is this really a point of discussion if you can or can not harass and taunt people? He has flaws, we all do however claiming he is a horrible staff member under me is just wrong. I wouldn't allow him to do mistakes that hurt players. Private Discord stuff, not our area. Do you want us to moderate everything PRO related? Guild discords? Private chats? We can't enforce something we do not have policies for. There is no excuse for those things if he did them. I even agree with you that he should pay whatever he owes these people but that's not staff business. He was already called out for it with Chaosknigth and paid him however I can not force him to do anything. I begged Arkos? I told him that this should happen and should have happened already. What do you want me to do, tell me? The ban wasn't justified, you got compensated and an apology. An apology that was supposed to be sent but was sent after I pushed for it again because that was a fair thing to do. What do you want me to do? Publicly say that staffs I had never worked with made a mistake? Sure they did, a lot of them did horrible mistakes. I can not get "rid" of people above me. You are making no sense. Do I defend their decision making from the past? God no, hell no. They get called out the same way if they would do stuff like that now, however I can not just snap and remove them. Do you blame me for WW2 as well because I am German? You KNOW that I do not stand by that ban, it was unfair and would NEVER have happened if I were staff at the time. Why are you calling out things that you and me already know were wrong? Do you think I will defend them publicly? No. Can't comment, make a Discord Hub post about it. We stay away from Discord things as far as possible for reasons. I agree, staff should have powers on the Discord to moderate. We are not, literally we do not have any influence over it however we made our opinion this topic very clear within staff channels. "He only admitted having it done in this discord", ask him about it. This doesn't reflect the reality of things. I was not involved in the ban whatsoever, the funny part about all of this is that you think I did it. You are just wrong and you know it, Tr3y knows it. It's just sad honestly. It's nothing but the truth. I didn't leak anything out of our guild discord to get anyone banned. Not going to happen, he made mistakes, I call him out for it gladly however he had nobody looking at him or even daring to stand up. He made horrible mistakes but I am not going to ban a player for that. Staffs were different back then. Would he be allowed back into staff with that attitude? No. The gains were removed from those players, I was the one who made the situation public so indeed I wanted to see them punished. They were however 9oomy kept her Former role for some reason, this was removed now. Suhuzen's former role also has been removed. He should have been, I agree but I can't just ban an Admin/Former Admin. I made peace with it though. Won't happen, get this out of your mind rather quickly. Nope. Didn't do it but I can not change your mind without posting evidence, I reached out to the reporter and I am asking for permission to release the evidence. You are wrong, straight up and its just sad at this point because I know how you were in the past. You did receive the coins didn't you? Stop going into subjects I already explained in detail, you are AGAIN just repeating what I explained to Samurai in detail already. This is not what happened and spreading this just heats up hate towards Epiales for no reason. Lying botters to not get a second chance. Can claim all they want, if you are not honest you don't get a second chance. Ask Logan about it. Don't think I ever said I will train them better or any of that sort. The staff team consists of a lot of new staff members since a lot of old ones left. You are wrong about the selection process, about the trainings process and basically everything else. Not going to happen, we can't do that. A lot of this stuff is just not true, I can admit to mistakes from the past easily because those weren't my mistakes.

Sent me a DM with the Names please so I can take a look at this. :) Do you expect us to do something when we can't see it? Who? When? The issues you are bringing up are far from the reality and feel very baseless without evidence, I want to believe you but its very hard to do so.

The thing is we actually don't do that unless its aimed at someone. We give a warning before we muted, insta mutes shouldn't happen.

Everything that breaks our current rules, everything is again just not the reality of things. If you are not willing to provide evidence for what you are saying then how do you expect me to help you? This is not productive whatsoever. :) Correct, nobody wants to see this. We do not want to see WTB<Pikachu!!!!!!!!!!_!!!!!!!!, because that's just excessive. Give or take 5~ characters are fine above that it becomes excessive. If one guy does it, everyone does it. Do you want a chat where everyone talks like that? We don't. All there is to say, saying we do not enforce this is just plain wrong and not worth discussing further. It actually does because I can see every case, every report, every action taken by our staff. I can see what gets sanctioned, I can see who provides evidence of actual scamming, I can see trade logs and more. I am not a Trademoderator so I don't deal with it on a day to day basis however I can assure you that "old players" do not get a pass. This assumption is just incorrect. Nobody said that staffs are never wrong, we learn from our mistakes however if I see complaints about why people can't talk about genocide or incest then I can say with certainty that players are wrong in that subject. I also can say that players say we punish older players less harsh than newer players is also wrong. When players tell us we bias ban people, I can safely say that this is not the case as I was falsely banned for 8 months by former staff. I wouldn't allow such things to happen to anyone. I can tell you how we decide that, we look at the evidence we collect before issuing any punishments. A common complaint from players is "X Mod muted me for no reason", the complaints usually go as follows "I post all warnings, screenshots and reasons for the mutes" and they either realize their mistake or they don't but nobody gets punished out of the blue. If they do, feel free to report it.

This invalidates everything you say because this is just not the case ever, like never ever would a scammer get a pass for scamming anyone. Your definition of scamming is different than ours. Someone posting that they want to sell a rather average Pokemon for 500k, is not scamming. Long time players do not get a pass for anything, in fact they are punished the same way as everyone else. There is criticism and then there is ranting about stuff because X/Y/Z. I have players who are disliking me because I didn't ban people they wanted to see banned (e.g lack of evidence). There is obviously deeply wrong if you think they can not take criticism as in fact if they actually done mistakes they would be taught how to improve. Most of the time players are just wrong, as sad as this sounds. As Moderator Team Leader I oversee complaints about my moderators and from experience I can tell you right away that 95% of these are just players ranting about a punishment when it was well within our Punishment Policy and rules were broken. Players may not agree with rules but that doesn't give them the right to break and then complain about it. Can you give me an example? Not the case, just explaining things from our POV. We already made changes based on this thread so this is just not true. What is excessive? 5 more letter? 20? I draw the line at 5-6 because there is no reason for that. excessive = more than is necessary, normal, or desirable; immoderate. Are 5 or 20 more letters necessary? This is again just not the case or even remotely close to reality. I would like to see screenshots or a video of this actually happening in the fashion you are describing it. Doooooooooooo youuuuuuuuuu neeeeeeeeeeed toooooooo taaaaaaaaaaaalk liiiiiiiiiiiiikeeeeeeeeeeee thiiiiiiiiiisssssssssss toooooooo haaaaaaaaaaveeeeeeeeee itttttttt comfooooooooooortaaaaableeeeeeeeeeee fooooooooor youuuuuu? I don't believe that is the case, drawing a line when its excessive is part of moderating spamming. Should you get warned for using 3 more letters or something? No. Should you get warned if you EXCESSIVELY use unnecessary characters. 100% yes as it fills up the chat with unnecessary things. I would like to see the evidence of that, obviously Mods can NOT break any rules and get sanctioned for behavior like that.

Comments like this are discouraging, nothing else. We made the thread for a reason and you discrediting helps us 0 %. Is there a need to use excessive letters? Is there a need to spam? Is there a need to use vulgar language? Is there a need to be rude? Those are all very simple things yet some don't agree with that. There are also some that don't agree with the game being PG and want to swear like nothing else. Those things will not happen, with all due respect to everyone, we have to moderate otherwise it just ends up in chaos. How do I know that? I was there when no moderator was online and those things were left untouched. It was unpleasant to be around at best. A warning is just that a warning, even if you are muted it doesn't go on your record. It becomes very apparent that it's just "community vs staff", at some point and we will not have that type of thing in our game. Help Chat is that, a Help Chat. We have an All Chat for conversations, if the conversations goes too far off-topic you get warned. Helping new players is one thing, using Help Chat as second All Chat is another. We still answer if posts come around. I will not comment on that whatsoever, it is not our area and we keep your opinions about it to ourselves. There are differences between Discord and the game, you need the game to play, you don't need the Discord to play. No, rules are different per medium

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Not going to happen. I will close this suggestion and right of the bat deny this as this is something we will never do.

Open Recruitment with applications or selected invites (like I was invited to staff) They will go through a workshop where we filter out people that don't really fit, we do a few tasks but nothing we can actually disclose to the public. After that and to answer your next question we decide in what roles they fit in, sometimes staff switch role because they are not happy with it or because they simply don't fit in. Let's take me as example, I was supposed to be a CC, Fluffles wanted to be a Tmod and became a CC and Logan switched from Mod to Tmod later on. The applicants might not know where they fit but if they have strong attributes in some categories we will know where to fit them. I don't quite get that question, like if we actually talked to the applicants? Your past will be a huge factor when accepting or declining staff. Your past 100% reflects back on you but I am a perfect example on how many "infractions" you can actually have and still be staff. It's all about other factors as long as you are honest.

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That's fine, if you have to go against the same guy every single time for 5 matches then it obviously becomes apparent.

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